Genealogy Chat

Ha ha yes Im all for a party any excuse

Its kind of confusing me as to why the Christening names have been switched or am I worrying over nought?

My goodness congratulations to you and Rose and any others over the last few days at least Ive had a sensible conversation I might even scan the other boards now at least Ive had some sort of interaction with the outside World thanks!

WillD. ;-)

Yes, hopefully not too long Will, suspense is getting too much, lol...

Chris :)

(and Happy Birthday to Lily for tomorrow!, beginning to think we should have cake and a party!, lol)

Yes ok thanks done that. I think I had got his Christening names around the wrong way!

Thank you it will be a few days before I get that wont it Ive done a couple of those PDFs before they are cheaper.

Will x

or just Cooper , Male , 1881, and the volume and page number :-)

Will, try putting just cooper henry 1881...(he is there in list)

(sometimes less is more, lol)

Chris :)

Hello Chris and Rose.

1: Yes GRO so I should be able to see the ref numer come up there before I order PDF have I got that correct? Because when I search For Charles Henry Cooper 1881 with either that ref numer you have given me Vol 2a pg323 or look for a cooper with Andrews for his mother I cant see it why is that please? If they havent got it it cant be logical to order or have I got this all wrong please and thanks?!

2. Ah thak you it was Number 3 Ferry Road was it Im deligted at that. She lived in a flat and had a dog and I told my dad off for leaning his foot on the dog! Sorry unprofessional. I have got her on my scraps of working papers and yes her husband Buchanan had long gone or died I think it was said he was a Canadian!

Anyway GRO?

Thank you Will x

Is this Lily?...(Will posted below, Ferry Road reference)...

I can only remember visiting Aunt Lilly at Ferry Road Teddington as a kid on the Trollybus.

Chris :)

(from posting earlier...22 Mar 2018 10:34)

(and some Baptisms on Ancestry, London...Lily Greenfield, says Born 23rd Mch 1884. Baptism 25th May 1884)

(nearly Happy Birthday Lily, lol)


Just seen below...

1939 Register (Find My Past)

South Villa Kingston Road , Twickenham M.B., Middlesex
Lily Buchanan 23 Mar 1884 Female Officer Normans F Married
Helen C Buchanan 12 May 1867 Female Handmaster Normans F Married


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normansfield_Hospital

(Normansfield Hospital was a facility for patients with an intellectual disability situated in Teddington, Middlesex)


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

(1961, Lily Buchanan, 3, Ferry Road, Teddington)


1901 (Find My Past)
Lilly Greenfield Servant Single Female 17 1884 Teddington, Middlesex, England Nurse Domestic
Fallowfield, Cranes Park Avenue, Surbiton, Kingston, Surrey

Will I would think it was this Lillie that you used to call auntie? Lillie Greenfield , Lottie's sister?

GRO seems to be working ok :-)

Ok thanks for help as always and have a good rummage at the garden centre.

Lottie Harriett was the wife to Charles Henry Cooper her maiden name was Greenfield and I "guess" Ann may have been who I used to call "Aunt Lilly"?

Marriage cert:
John Cooper and Ann Greenfield were both witness's at Charles and Lottie's Wedding.

Regards Ill have a go at GRO in a min thanks.

Seems to be ok now Will...

(I'm orf' to garden centre shortly, so if it doesn't match, you can't reach me, and AQ is at work, lol, lol)

Chris :)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

Birth
COOPER, HENRY CHARLES ANDREWS
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 02A Page 323


All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(and on above 1929, at 23, Watts Lane is, Ann Greenfield, Charles Henry Cooper and Lottie Harriet Cooper)


Edits

1891 (Find My Past)
Benjamin Greenfield Head Married Male 41 1850 Surrey, England Boot & Shoe Maker
Ann Greenfield Wife Married Female 42 1849 Danbury, Essex, England -
Lottie Greenfield Daughter - Female 12 1879 Middlesex, England Scholar
Lillie Greenfield Daughter - Female 7 1884 Middlesex, England Scholar
Ernest Greenfield Son - Male 4 1887 Middlesex, England Scholar
Boot Makers Shop, Gomer Road, Teddington, Kingston, Middlesex


1901
Benjamin Greenfield Head Married Male 51 1850 Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England Boot Maker
Ann Greenfield Wife Married Female 51 1850 Danbury, Essex, England -
Ernest Greenfield Son Single Male 14 1887 Teddington, Middlesex, England Gardner
Hethe, Bicester, Oxfordshire,


Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
Greenfield Anne 79 Kingston 2a 1114

(perhaps her above)


Birth
GREENFIELD, LILY (ENEFER)
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 348


Birth
GREENFIELD, ERNEST (ENEFER)
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 349


(for Ernest 1911 posted earlier, 25, Watts Lane, Teddington)

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Enefer Clara Epping 4a 758
Greenfield Ernest Epping 4a 758


(and some Baptisms on Ancestry, London...Lily Greenfield, says Born 23rd Mch 1884. Baptism 25th May 1884)

(nearly Happy Birthday Lily, lol)

Goodmorning amazes me that I can still wake everyday is a bonus! Ha!
Thanks you Rose, Austin, and Chris (or anyone Ive left out) for your efforts this is becoming more entertaining than FB! (Not sure I totally understand all the info though)!

Chris did you say the GRO is down for maintenance is that why I have problem not finding Vol 2a Pg 323???? (I can get a PDF cant I?)

Ive scrapped China Walk that was some other Charles Henry wasnt it!

A lot is mentioned about location particularly Surbiton and Teddington. I can only remember visiting Aunt Lilly at Ferry Road Teddington as a kid on the Trollybus.

Salutations Will x

(yes, enjoy!, soon be time to be out in garden!, lol)

Chris :)

Well found Chris- that baptism for Lilian seals it!

Off to work- have a good day. Sun is shining :)

(ah!, that's better AQ)

Chris :)

(saw below)

Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Robert Henry John Smith
7 Apr 1907 East Molesey, St Mary (Born Dec. 11th 1906)
George Arthur (occ. Gardener)
Ellen Elizabeth


Lilian Gertrude Smith Smith
12 Jun 1904 East Molesey, St Mary
George Arthur (occ. Gardener)
Ellen Elizath
(Abode, Walton Villas, School Rd.)


Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------------
SMITH Lilian Gertrude 2 Kingston 2a 349

Think this is the 1901 for her:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fern Cottages, 1, Fairfax Road, Teddington, Teddington (Middlesex), Kingston, Middlesex, England

George A Smith Head Married Male 28 1873 Teddington, Middlesex, England Gardener (Not Domestic)
Ellene Smith Wife Married Female 28 1873 Roehampton, Surrey, England -
Emily Smith Daughter - Female 6 1895 Teddington, Middlesex, England -
George A Smith Jr Son - Male 5 1896 Teddington, Middlesex, England -
Ethel M Smith Jr Daughter - Female 3 1898 Teddington, Middlesex, England -
Sidney H Smith Jr Son - Male 0 1901 Teddington, Middlesex,
William Pearce Boarder Widower Male 56 1845 Lee, Buckinghamshire Farm Labourer

AQ what do you make of those 2 Census I've just added for Ellen Smith below (1901, 1911) addresses look to match that Marines Record?...

Edits (can't check Births at present, GRO Index down for maintenance!)

Chris :)

(reference from Will)

Ive got the pdf of Charles Henry Cooper Reg no 8939, 25 Watts Lane Teddington
DOB 24th (I think) March 1879, Surbiton Surrey, occ. groom, CofE.
enlisted (think its) 8th april 1898, London.
Division Chatham.
Next bit has been scribbled over:
Next of kin: Father John, 64 Ailsa Road Surbiton.(thats been scribbled over then)
mrs Smith 1 Walton Villas School Road East Melbrr?
Complexion Fresh, Hair Brown, Eyes Grey, Tattoo left arm.

Did wonder the same Chris- perhaps his real birth date was 25 May as on the 1939 register?

Another Day!...(lol)

So, as it stands Will, you need below Birth Cert. (then keep finger crossed!)...

Chris :)

First name(s) HENRY CHARLES
Last name COOPER
Birth year 1881
Birth quarter 2
Mother's last name Andrews
District Kingston
County Surrey
Volume 2A Page 323


(and for John Cooper, with Norfolk side of things, you have below, and it's free!)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/westacre.htm

(also on above)


Deaths Jun 1929 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------
Cooper John 80 Kingston 2a 597

(possible for him, and Sarah below)


Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Cooper Sarah 54 Kingston 2a 219


Sarah Cooper
Cemetery Kingston
Age 54 Years
Date of death 20/12/1900 Type of grave Consecrated (C of E) Section / Class E Grave number 4088 Date of burial 22/12/1900

https://www.kingston.gov.uk/directory/20/burial_records


Edits (wonder why Henry Charles wasn't on 1881, that was taken 3rd April)

Goodnight hope you sleep tight I think my head is spinning haha! thanks Will x

It must be right Chris :-D