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Hello,

I'm reaching out in the hope of finding more information about William Muddiman. Born in 1899 in Long Bucky, Northamptonshire, he was residing in West London during his marriage to Rose Edith Waldron in 1922. William's occupation is listed as Pte No 7178987, 2nd Leinster Regt.

His father, William Muddiman, was an ex Police Constable. I'm particularly interested in learning more about William's military service. Any details, records, or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your assistance! :-)

Did he have a second forename?

If he served during WW1, you may find records on FindMyPast website.

He didn’t enlist until Jan 1921, so you will have to apply for his record

I am unsure if he had a middle name. There are three William Muddiman’s born in 1899 all roughly in the same area.

William died in 1982, birth date given as 29th April 1899.

I’ve had a look at searching for him on military records but it says no results found when I enter the info such as service number or regiment.

Ok, where did you find the information regarding him enlisting in 1921 please?

Also, where do I request his military records from?

Thank you.
:-)

His enlistment is on Findmypast

Where have you looked?

Apply below for records:

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service

If he had a second forename, it would normally be included on official records such as birth, marriage, death

Name William Mudderman
[MUDDIMAN]
Age 2
Estimated Birth Year abt 1899
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Father William Mudderman
Mother Mary J Mudderman
Birth Place Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish St Jude Kensal Green
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district Paddington
Sub-registration district North West Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel 04e
Piece 17
Folio 133
Page number 26
Household schedule number 179
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Mudderman 26 Head............Police Constable
Mary J Mudderman 25 Wife
William Mudderman 2 Son

Name William Muddiman
Age 0
Birth Date 29 Apr 1899
Baptism Date 4 Jun 1899
Baptism Place Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, England
Register Type Parish Registers
Father William Allen Muddiman
Mother Mary Jane Muddiman

Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)

Muddiman William Allen Daventry 3b 194
TOWNSEND Mary Jane Daventry 3b 194


MUDDIMAN, WILLIAM (MMN) TOWNSEND
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in DAVENTRY Volume 03B Page 119

1939 Register
63 Wren's Avenue, Ashford, Staines U.D., Middlesex, England

Rose E Muddiman 01 Jul 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 172 1
William Muddiman 29 Apr 1899 Male Foreman Motor Fitter Driver Married 172 2
Mary Parkes (Muddiman) 19 Feb 1923 Female Laundry Labourer - Hand Single 172 3
Reginald W Muddiman 20 Jun 1926 Male At School Single 172 4
One closed record............which would be daughter Jean

The enlistment record - a transcription only. Gives his Birth place as you say and then goes on to show Birth County as Hampshire!!

British Army, Irish Regimental Enlistment Registers 1877-1924
Great Britain

First name(s) William
Last name Muddiman
Birth year 1900
Birth place Long Buckley, Northampton, Northants
Birth county Hampshire
Birth country England
Occupation on enlistment Electricians Mate
Regiment Leinster Regiment
Service number 7178987
Attestation year 1921
Attestation date 24 Jan 1921
Age on attestation 21 54/73
Attestation place Whitehall
Address on discharge 24 Granville Road, Kilburn, London
Address of next of kin 39 Sixth Avenue, Queens Park, W.
Source Source Dataset
Archive National Army Museum
Record set British Army, Irish Regimental Enlistment Registers 1877-1924
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Collections from England, Great Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Wales

copyright National Army Museum

1911 Census For England & Wales
39 Sixth Avenue Queen's Park Paddington, Paddington, London & Middlesex, England

Williams Muddiman Son - Male 12 1899 - Paddington London
George Muddiman Son - Male 8 1903 - Paddington London
Walter Muddiman Son - Male 7 1904 - Paddington London
Thomas Muddiman Son - Male 3 1908 - Paddington London
William Muddiman Head Married Male 36 1875 Police constable Long Buckley Northampton
Mary Muddiman Wife Married Female 36 1875 - Long Buckley English Northampton
Edward Groves Visitor Single Male 25 1886 Soldier pte on furlough Song Buckley Northampton

First name(s) William
Age on attestation 21 54/73
Last name Muddiman
Attestation place Whitehall
Birth year 1900
Address on discharge 24 Granville Road, Kilburn, London
Birth place Long Buckley, Northampton, Northants
Address of next of kin 39 Sixth Avenue, Queens Park, W.
Source Source Dataset
Birth country England
Archive National Army Museum
Occupation on enlistment Electricians Mate
Record set British Army, Irish Regimental Enlistment Registers 1877-1924
Regiment Leinster Regiment
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Service number 7178987
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Attestation year 1921
Collections from England, Great Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Wales
Attestation date 24 Jan 1921

copyright National Army Museum

Looks like this is him - he'd joined the Army in January 1921, so not long before he was off overseas.

1921 census has him as below - as one of many

1921 Census Of England & Wales
British Forces in Silisia, a R O S 170, Army, Armed Forces Overseas

First name(s) William
Address British Forces In Silisia, A R O S 170
Last name Muddiman
Name of ship or barracks 2nd Battalion, Leinster Regiment
Sex Male
Type of ship or barracks Guttentag (one company at Rosenberg)
Birth year 1898
Location of ship or barracks British Forces in Silesia, A R O S 170
Census date 19 June 1921
Registration district Army
Age in years 23
Sub-district Silesia
Age as transcribed 23 y
County Army
Marital status Single
Country Armed Forces Overseas
Birth place -
Archive The National Archives
Birth place as transcribed Hamptonshire
Archive series RG 15
Nationality British
Piece number 28139
Occupation code 813
Page 21
Occupation code with suffix 813/6
Schedule type code NM
Employer code 701
Schedule type Armed Forces, multiple page, 70+ entries
Rank or rating Private
Other household member's first name(s) -
Branch of service Army
Other household member's last name -
Service and branch or arm of service Army Infantry
Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales
Language spoken English
Category Census, land & surveys
Language used to complete form English
Subcategory Census
Street British Forces In Silisia, A R O S 170
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
© Findmypast

Plenty on google about the Regiment - (he is in the 2nd Battalion in 1921)

This for example -
http://leinster-regiment-association.org.uk/wp/the-regiment/a-short-history/

The Prince of Wales’s Leinster Regiment (Royal Canadians) formed part of the British Army from 1881 until its disbandment in 1922.

At the end of the war the 1st Battalion was reconstituted at Portsmouth and then returned to India, where it stayed until 1922.

In the meantime the 2nd Battalion had settled into barracks at Colchester but was detached for post-plebiscite duties in Upper Silesia from June 1921 until March 1922. HRH The Prince of Wales – later King Edward VIII – was appointed Colonel-in-Chief in 1919.

Thank you so much for this information. :-)

Is there anywhere I can find when he left the army?

Yes, on his records, which you can apply for by clicking on the link I gave you at 11.43

Thank you ErikaH.