Genealogy Chat

Hi again Jess another one need looking up please ; GEORGE LUCAS - BORN 1856 - BEDWORTH , WARWICKSHIRE in the 1861 census please married to LIZZIE parents = JOSEPH AND SARAH Cheers again Debs

It certainly was. I am going to have a drink now and look into it. Cheers Gloria

Gloria, again sorry I forgot you! Hope it was worth the wait Jess

Wonderful Jess, I think you are right. In the 1891 census I find few of my families missing, they are in the 1881 and 1901 but all went walkabout inbetween. Thanks again Gloria

Lucia; (Flamsted is about 5 mins from Caddington) Elizabeth Punter abt 1796 Ramridge End, Bedfordshire, England Head Flamstead Hertfordshire ->Joseph Punter abt 1842 Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Son Flamstead Hertfordshire Address (Looks like) household 15 Repsell End (Pepcell maybe) ..................................................................... ........................................................................... Other heads by the same name, born same place , (all biblical names) guess are related; 1Charles Punter abt 1836 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Luton Bedfordshire 2 David Punter abt 1838 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Head Caddington Hertfordshire 3 James Punter abt 1814 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Kensworth Hertfordshire 4 Jeremiah Punter abt 1803 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Head Kensworth Hertfordshire 5 John Punter abt 1803 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire 6 Joseph Punter abt 1813 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Caddington Hertfordshire .... 1. Charles Punter abt 1836 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Luton Bedfordshire David Punter abt 1838 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Head Caddington Hertfordshire James Punter abt 1814 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Kensworth Hertfordshire Jeremiah Punter abt 1803 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Head Kensworth Hertfordshire John Punter abt 1803 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire Joseph Punter abt 1813 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Caddington Hertfordshire 2 Richard Hooker abt 1798 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Father Caddington Hertfordshire David Punter abt 1838 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Head Caddington Hertfordshire Eliza Punter abt 1836 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Wife Caddington Hertfordshire 3 Mary Ann Hawkes abt 1851 Luton, Hertfordshire, England Visitor Kensworth Hertfordshire John Hunt abt 1847 Luton, Hertfordshire, England Visitor Kensworth Hertfordshire Joseph Hunt abt 1851 Luton, Hertfordshire, England Visitor Kensworth Hertfordshire Arthur Punter abt 1847 Kensworth, Hertfordshire, England Son Kensworth Hertfordshire James Punter abt 1814 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Kensworth Hertfordshire Rebecca Punter abt 1852 Kensworth, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Kensworth Hertfordshire Sarah Reynolds abt 1814 Kensworth, Hertfordshire, England Housekeeper Kensworth Hertfordshire 4. Frederick Bone abt 1855 Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Grandson Kensworth Hertfordshire James Punter abt 1838 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Son Kensworth Hertfordshire Jeremiah Punter abt 1803 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Head Kensworth Hertfordshire Kitty Punter abt 1800 Caddington, Hertfordshire, England Wife Kensworth Hertfordshire 5 Ann Partingdale abt 1844 Abbots Langley Hunton Bridge, Hertfordshire, England Visitor Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire John Punter abt 1803 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire Susan Punter abt 1807 H Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England Wife Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire 6. Hannah Punter abt 1813 Whipsnade, Hertfordshire, England Wife Caddington Hertfordshire Joseph Punter abt 1813 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Head Caddington Hertfordshire Levi Punter abt 1843 Caddington, Bedfordshire, England Son Caddington Hertfordshire

Gloria Mum without her just two sons in 1901 John Davies abt 1894 Stockport Son Stockport Cheshire Martha Davies abt 1851 Stockport Mother Stockport Cheshire <-WIDOW William Davies abt 1882 Stockport Son Stockport Cheshire So if the 1891 is the right family father was alive in 1891 but dead by 1901, which agrees with her marriage cert (in fact it narrows it to 1891-1896)

Gloria. i can't find her in 1891 either as a definate match This is a possible (without the E) Davis, Albert abt 1890 Stockport, Cheshire Son Stockport Cheshire Davis, Benjamin abt 1882 Stockport, Cheshire Son Stockport Cheshire Davis, Eliza Ann abt 1876 Stockport, Cheshire Daughter Stockport Cheshire Davis, George abt 1888 Stockport, Cheshire Son Stockport Cheshire Davis, John J abt 1885 Stockport, Cheshire Son Stockport Cheshire Davis, Martha A abt 1856 Stockport, Cheshire Wife Stockport Cheshire Davis, Sarah E abt 1878 Stockport, Cheshire Daughter Stockport Cheshire Davis, Thomas abt 1854 Stockport, Cheshire Head Stockport Cheshire Davis, William T abt 1880 Stockport, Cheshire Son Stockport Cheshire Dobin, Catherine abt 1857 Countbomm, Ireland Daughter Stockport Cheshire Address 45 Bamford St Right Parents?

Hi Jess, thanks for the reply. I would like to find Eliza and her family in 1891 census. I think the Eliza of Barlow St.(1881) is the same as the one in 1901 census except she is down as being born in Matlock. I suppose she could have been born there and the birth registered in Stockport or vice versa. I have found an Eliza Davies born dec quarter 1879 Stockport, I suppose that could be her and she lied about her age on her marriage certificate. That would connect her to the Matlock one as they would have the same father on each certificate. I think I will send for that unless you come up with something thats says its not her. Hope this makes sense. Gloria.

Hi Jess, Would you be able to look up my ancestor - Joseph Punter on 1861 census? He was born c1841 in Slip End/Caddington, Bedfordshire and he may be living in Luton. His parents are Abraham Punter and Elizabeth. Thank you very much for your help, Lucia :-)

Gloria the 1881 for ref: >>Eliza A. Davies abt 1876 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter 16 Barlow St, Stockport, Cheshire, England Martha A. Davies abt 1858 Stockport, Cheshire, England Wife 16 Barlow St, Stockport, Cheshire, England Sarah E. Davies abt 1877 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter 16 Barlow St, Stockport, Cheshire, England Thomas Davies abt 1854 Stockport, Cheshire, England Head 16 Barlow St, Stockport, Cheshire, England Wm.T. Davies abt 1880 Stockport, Cheshire, England Son 16 Barlow St, Stockport, Cheshire, England You want all of them in 1891 or just Eliza? I have an Eliza Davies married to James Herbert Marsden 1896, they both lived in Heaton Norris (Stockport)at the time. On the marriage cert. her father is down as Thomas Richard (it looks like) Davies, disceased. In 1901 census she is down as having been born in Matlock Derbyshire.IS IT THE SAME ELIZA OR IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO WORK OUT? Gong to work now back later

Deb Eva Sherratt abt 1894 Oldham, Lancashire, England Daughter Oldham Lancashire James Sherratt abt 1891 Oldham, Lancashire, England Son Oldham Lancashire Lucy Sherratt abt 1868 Kinver, Warwickshire, England Wife Oldham Lancashire Robert Sherratt abt 1867 Warrington, Dorset, England Head Oldham Lancashire Elizabeth Turner abt 1879 Kinver, Warwickshire, England Sister-in-law Oldham Lancashire Mabel Turner abt 1900 Oldham, Lancashire, England Niece Oldham Lancashire Harold M Ward abt 1896 Colombs, Sri Lanka Nephew Oldham Lancashire James Pinster abt 1832 Stretton on Dunsmore, Warwickshire, England Mother-in-law Ipsley Warwickshire Elizabeth Turner abt 1877 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Wife Ipsley Warwickshire James W Turner abt 1900 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Son Ipsley Warwickshire William E Turner abt 1871 Bittersea, London, England Head Ipsley Warwickshire Elizabeth A Turner abt 1877 Hillmorton, Warwickshire, England Wife Milton or Middleton Malzor Northamptonshire Francis J Turner abt 1900 Northants, Milton Son Milton or Middleton Malzor Northamptonshire Samuel J Turner abt 1871 Northants, Milton Head Milton or Middleton Malzor **Can tell you with some certainty that this place name will be Milton Malsor

Jess They are from 1901 Debs

Thanks Jess you are a star

I would say either she was illegitimate ( and used clayson in 1861) so born Baldock illigitimate, or her father died and her mother re-married. Wish i could find mothers marriage tho!! am looking....!

Sorry Jess this may sound very silly and it may have a very simple answer. Why do you think it has Susan as a lodger and not as a daughter? Thanks for looking it up for me just a bit curious.

okay, back-track...dont ask me why but this makes me think it IS the right marriage 1871 Susan E Baldock 1851 Elham, Kent, England Lodger Elham Kent Arthur J Clayson 1866 Elham, Kent, England Son Elham Kent Barbara A Clayson 1833 Elham, Kent, England Wife Elham Kent Mary A Clayson 1858 Elham, Kent, England Daughter Elham Kent William Clayson 1829 Elham, Kent, England Head Elham Kent William Clayson 1853 Elham, Kent, England Son Elham Kent 1861 mistranscribed but guess its them- maybe Susan was born pre marriage Barbara Clayeen 1833 Elham, Kent, England Wife Elham Kent George Clayeen 1855 Folkestone, Kent, England Son Elham Kent Mary Ann Clayeen 1858 Elham, Kent, England Daughter Elham Kent Susannah Clayeen 1851 Elham, Kent, England Daughter Elham Kent William Clayeen 1831 Elham, Kent, England Head Elham Kent William Clayeen 1853 Elham, Kent, England Son Elham Kent

I'd like to see Elizabeth with her mother on the 1871 /1661 cenus for an Idea really. will look and see what i can find jess

Jess no i think you found the right info if you look you will see it says Susan Elizabeth C Baldock. Her mother is listed as Barbara Clayson so that coud be what the C is in Susans name. Maybe the mothers maiden name was Clayson and then she married a Baldock what do you think?

Claire; hope you come back: Is this the 1881 for them? Arthur V. Ambrose abt 1877 Harrietsham, Kent, England Son Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Frank Ambrose abt 1880 Leeds, Kent, England Son Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Lillian F. Ambrose abt 1879 Leeds, Kent, England Daughter Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Philip F. Ambrose abt 1872 Harrietsham, Kent, England Son Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England Susan E. Ambrose abt 1849 Elham Canterbury, Kent, England Wife Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England William Ambrose abt 1840 Harrietsham, Kent, England Head Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England ->Barbara A. Clayson abt 1831 Elham, Kent, England Mother in Law Upper St, Leeds, Kent, England SUGGESTS THE MARRIAGE I FIOUND IS WRONG 0r HER MOTHER MARRIED TWICE. Will look again!

Thanks Jess i think this is it one of their children was born in Hollingborne so that seems to fit i will obviously check it out though to be sure thanks so much for looking that up for me.