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A Sad Little Tale (Closed)

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Paul Report 13 Aug 2007 19:30

Hi, I managed to pick up Patricia's death certificate today. The details taken from it are as follows. I omit the full details as to cause of death as the accident was quite horrific. Registration District, East Glamorgan Death in the Sub-district of Caerphilly in the County of Glamorgan No 499 1. When and where died. 23 May 1943 at the level crossing near Gelynis Farm, Morganstown, Radyr, RD 2. Name and Surname - Patricia Armstrong 3. Sex- Female 4. Age - 9 years 5. Occupation. of 9 Engineer Road, Woolwich, London. Daughter of William Armstrong 6. Cause of death. Struck by a passing train at a level crossing whilst on an errand. - accident- 7. Signature,description and residence of informant. Certificate received from David Rees Coroner for East Glamorgan. Inquest held 24 May 1943 8 When registered. 29 May 1943 9 Signature of registrar. William Morgan, Registrar Bye Paul


Moira Report 13 Aug 2007 19:19

I would also like to thank Rachael for her hard work, it is so interesting to read all the info, on this little girl. Thankyou to all who have researched. Moira


Shirley Report 13 Aug 2007 18:55

Goodness me, I am really hooked!! Am working the rest of the week but can probably manage to blag a trip to Woolwich if there is still some research needs doing there? Just ask and I will do!! Shirls

Mummy Bear

Mummy Bear Report 13 Aug 2007 18:25

Below are the details of Hetty’s death certificate Registration district: Greenwich Sub-district: Greenwich Administrative area: London Borough of Greenwich 1. Date & Place of Death: Nineteenth December 1985; St. Nicolas Hospital, Plumstead 2. Name & surname: Henrietta Maud Francis 3. Sex: Female 4. Maiden surname of woman who has married: Wilson 5. Date & place of birth: 2nd April 1908; Newcastle-upon-Tyne 6. Occupation and usual address: Receptionist (Retired) wife of George Francis Bus Conductor (Retired) 1 Defiance Walk, Dockyard Estate, Woolwich, SE18 7 (a) Name & Surname of Informant: George Francis (b) Qualification: Widower of deceased (c) Usual address: 1 Defiance Walk, Dockyard Estate, Woolwich, SE18 8. Cause of death 1a Cerebrovascular disease b Cerebral atherosclerosis and peripheral vascular disease 9. I certify that the particulars given by me above are true to the best of my knowledge and belief…G. Francis…Signature of informant 10. Date of registration: Nineteenth December 1985 11. Signature of registrar: J A L…. Registrar Additionally, I found the following: Cremated 2nd Jan 1986 at Falconwood Cemetery, her husband was the applicant and ashes were scattered in garden of remembrance bed 4 – Hetty’s religion was given as Catholic. Rachel


Christine2 Report 13 Aug 2007 17:34

Wow Rachel, how brilliant of you. I do hope they come on Wednesday as I'm likely to be busy on Thursday and Friday and I can't wait to go looking for them:)

Mummy Bear

Mummy Bear Report 13 Aug 2007 17:22

Update from Woolwich The marriage certificates (I’ve ordered both Hetty’s marriages) are going to take a few days – hopefully by Wed/Thursday, Woolwich or Greenwich as they are now, record marriages by church location or reg office and as I don’t know the exact church or reg office – It’s going to involve a search through each register - I’ve tried to narrow it down and given them a list of which I feel are more likely than others. As soon as I get the info I’ll pass on Thanks Rachel


Shelley Report 13 Aug 2007 17:19

Nudged so I can catch up later, no time at present.


Carter Report 13 Aug 2007 16:23

hi caz i was like you and got caught up in the detective work but thats all it was - we understand that it is a sensitive subject and would respect that linda x


Mumsy Report 13 Aug 2007 15:21

I think also, that Paul is hoping to get the death cert today. I'ts great how everyone is just chipping in to help and I agree with whoever said it before, it's like a tutorial. Mumsy.


CherryCrumbles Report 13 Aug 2007 15:11

Lou, I think Rachel was getting the marriage certificate, there was an earlier posting from her about this. do you want to pm her to check? c x


Caz Report 13 Aug 2007 15:03

I'd forgotten about Win Evans having spoken to Nanette. It will have been terrible for her and I'm sure he will have approached her with sensitivity. Sorry Mumsy. I didn't mean to offend anyone or tread on anyones' toes. I posted the details on here to ask for guidance as I'm quite new to this but I wouldn't want to upset Nanette or anyone else. Caz


Caz Report 13 Aug 2007 14:52

I can't get a match on here for Nanette or her husband Donald Russell. I don't quite know where to go next. I just thought that as Patricias' friend she might remember Patricia talking about her family back at home. I know they were only young when she died but I don't think poor Nanette will have forgotten the accident she witnessed or the friend who died. Caz


Mumsy Report 13 Aug 2007 14:48

You'll notice that Win Evans has already had a conversation with Nanette, as Paul mentioned after he'd met with him. I think sensitivity is needed at this point considering what she has experienced. Sorry to sound like I'm putting a damper on your enthusiasm but this is a living person we're talking about now. Mumsy.


Carter Report 13 Aug 2007 14:34

caz you had just beat me to it i had found the same for nanette. she may be a great lead if she is still alive linda x


Caz Report 13 Aug 2007 14:29

I found these, Births March 1935, Nanette Ray MMN Thomas Cardiff 11a 525 and Marriages March 1954 Nanette Ray spouse Russell E.Glamorgan 8b 658


Caz Report 13 Aug 2007 13:48

Just had a look at the website Paul. You've done a fantastic job. Has anyone thought of trying to find her friend Nanette Ray? she might be able to shed more light on poor Patricias' family. Caz


Louise Report 13 Aug 2007 13:08

Great site! Has anyone ordered the parents marriage cert? It would clarify ages etc. Am happy to do so if no-one else has (Rachel?): Patricia’s parents : 1933 Q2 Woolwich 1d 2308 Henrietta M Wilson William Armstrong Glad to see that Patricia's mum eventually found happiness with another partner in later life.


JALimestonePlains Report 13 Aug 2007 11:41

Off to bed now so will catch tomorrow night my time JA


JALimestonePlains Report 13 Aug 2007 11:31

Paul, I hae got the site and have emailed you What a great thing you are doing and a great GR community effort - celebration!!!!! JA

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°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 13 Aug 2007 09:49

Another few thoughts on this Did the SW Echo not carry it's BMD page back then? This should say if her father was still alive, give info on any siblings & give funeral directors name. Re the headstone, this could have been laid many years after the internment. Lastly, I find it so sad that the grave looks so neglected, I wonder if someone could take this on as a project. What springs to mind is R&M Local History Society (who may have more info on this) or a Scout Group.