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Does anyone have access to Canadian/US census retu

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Hawthorn

Hawthorn Report 11 Jun 2008 18:44

If anyone has access to Canadian & US cesnus returns I would really appreciate a look up please. I used to have Ancestry worldwide but not any more.

Arthur Herbert BUSH born Carlton-in-Cleveland, N. Yorkshire, 1869. Listed on the 1881 UK census but not later ones.

Also his brother.

William Sidney BUSH born Carlton-in-Cleveland, N. Yorkshire, 1874. He was listed on the UK 1881 census, but not later ones.

Around 1880 his mother and the rest of this large family emigrated to Winnipeg, Canada. When I had worldwide Ancestry I located this family in Winnipeg but I have never managed to find Arthur H & William S BUSH after the 1881 UK census and they are the only two member of the family I can't account for.

Can somebody PLEASE help me to locate them.




Harpstrings

Harpstrings Report 11 Jun 2008 18:46

sorry Stu am a member of Ancestry but not world.
Otherwise I would have done.
Tina

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Jun 2008 18:49

Genealogy?? ;)

Could this be him in WWI?

Name: Arthur Herbert Bush
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1870
Birth Location: Yorkshire, England
Relative: Edwin Bush
Relationship: Brother
Regiment Number: 154519

That's from Ancestry. But you can see the original record for free by searching here:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

This looks like the same person in the 1911 census:


Name: Arthur H F Bush
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 42
Birth Date: Jan 1869
Birthplace: England
Family Number: 540
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Immigration Year: 1882
Tribal: English
Province: British Columbia
District: Vancouver
District Number: 12
Sub-District: Vancouver City
Sub-District Number: 41
Place of Habitation: 1105 Broadway W
Census Year: 1911
Page: 53

Tom Wilson 53
Alice Wilson 43
Arthur L Wilson 18
Frank D Wilson 17
Arthur H F Bush 42


Let us know if he looks like a possible!

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Jun 2008 18:55

Checking the WWI attestation papers, that Arthur Herbert was born in Yorkshire, and the brother Edwin is in Misison, BC.


Sadly, he did not survive WWI.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/
Detail&casualty=1565929
(paste the url back together to view)


In memory of
Sergeant
ARTHUR HERBERT BUSH
who died on September 15, 1916
Military Service:

Service Number: 154519
Age: 46
Force: Army
Unit: Canadian Pioneers
Division: 1st Pioneer Battalion.

Additional Information:

Date of Birth: January 13, 1870

Son of the late George and Jane Witchew Bush. Served in the N.W. Rebellion, 1885.



If the parents' names match -- ?

Germaine

Germaine Report 11 Jun 2008 18:59

Canada census.
Germaine
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http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/index.html

Hawthorn

Hawthorn Report 11 Jun 2008 19:07

Kathryn - Wow, that's great news !

Arthur H BUSH was born 13 January 1869, not 1870. It looks like him. He was the son of Jane Whicher BUSH and Joseph Anthony . . . not George ! He did indeed have a brother called Edwin.

This is very interesting so close . . . . I'm sure it's him.

I'll send you a personal message with my e-mail address.

What was the N.W. Rebellion of 1885?

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Jun 2008 19:26

Thought that might be him. ;)

Do go to the links I gave. At the Virtual War Memorial, you can access a copy of the page of the Books of Remembrance -- all gilt and coloured -- to download and print if you like. There is also info about his burial place, with links to the cemetery plans and such. And at the Soldiers of the CEF site you can view the image of the attestation papers themselves.

So no need to shift to email -- it's always good to have all the info on record in threads here anyhow, so anybody looking for related people in future might run across it. This board isn't really a good place for it -- if you look at the other threads, you'll see they're not really genealogy-related. You might want to copy the pertinent info into another post under the Bush surname at Trying to Find, eventually, with a note that you're just posting to get it on record for future ref.

Unfortunately what we've got is Arthur apparently not having married and so having no descendants, but at least you know, and you know where he is buried.

Which is the part I forgot to look at the first time. I'll copy it here, because he was a part of a major event in Canadian history: Vimy Ridge.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Burial Information:

Cemetery:
VIMY MEMORIAL
Pas de Calais,France

[CLICK HERE FOR CEMETERY PLAN]
Grave Reference: N/A

[I don't know why that's N/A -- but I do know who to contact about corrections to info at tihs site, a wonderfully helpful and pleasant man, so this could probably be sorted out, along with the correct parents' names]

Location:Canada's most impressive tribute overseas to those Canadians who fought and gave their lives in the First World War is the majestic and inspiring Vimy Memorial, which overlooks the Douai Plain from the highest point of Vimy Ridge, about eight kilometres northeast of Arras on the N17 towards Lens. The Memorial is signposted from this road to the left, just before you enter the village of Vimy from the south. The memorial itself is someway inside the memorial park, but again it is well signposted. At the base of the memorial, these words appear in French and in English:

TO THE VALOUR OF THEIR COUNTRYMEN IN THE GREAT WAR AND IN MEMORY OF THEIR SIXTY THOUSAND DEAD THIS MONUMENT IS RAISED BY THE PEOPLE OF CANADA

Inscribed on the ramparts of the Vimy Memorial are the names of over 11,000 Canadian soldiers who were posted as 'missing, presumed dead' in France.

A plaque at the entrance to the memorial states that the land for the battlefield park, 91.18 hectares in extent, was 'the free gift in perpetuity of the French nation to the people of Canada'. Construction of the massive work began in 1925, and 11 years later, on July 26, 1936, the monument was unveiled by King Edward VIII.

The park surrounding the Vimy Memorial was created by horticultural experts. Canadian trees and shrubs were planted in great masses to resemble the woods and forests of Canada. Wooded parklands surround the grassy slopes of the approaches around the Vimy Memorial. Trenches and tunnels have been restored and preserved and the visitor can picture the magnitude of the task that faced the Canadian Corps on that distant dawn when history was made.
On April 3, 2003, the Government of Canada designated April 9th of each year as a national day of remembrance of the Battle of Vimy Ridge.


Information courtesy of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.

Hawthorn

Hawthorn Report 11 Jun 2008 19:36

Hi, I didn't put this request on "Trying to Find" because I don't have this family tree on Genes. I'm sure you can only post for names from a deposited tree.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Jun 2008 19:39

I just wanted to add something I sent you, because it's of general interest too:


The other thing you might want to do, at automated genealogy, is submit linking info -- they have a project to link census records to WWI and Virtual Memorial records.



(And fyi too -- at Trying to Find, you can just post on the big general board under no surname at all -- or, to post under a surname, just put the surname in the "filter this board by surname" box when you're at the general TTF board, and you'll be at the "board" for that surname, where you can post regardless of what's in your tree.)

Hawthorn

Hawthorn Report 11 Jun 2008 19:42

Many thanks for your help. I take it there is no trace of William Sidney BUSH? He is now the only one of 12 children I cannot account for !

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Jun 2008 19:46

I forgot -- the Northwest Rebellion. This Arthur certainly made his way into the annals of Cdn history!

Google:

"northwest rebellion"

if you do it at www.google.ca, you can filter for pages from Canada.

Here's a good basic intro:

http://history.cbc.ca/history/?MIval=Section.html&chapter_id=4&episode_id=10

with lnks.

You may have heard of Louis Riel. If not, you have hours of fascinating reading ... and historiographical disputation ... ahead!

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Jun 2008 19:47

Check your email. ;)

Hawthorn

Hawthorn Report 11 Jun 2008 20:08

"Northwest Rebellion", no I haven't heard of Louis Riel, this sounds fascinating reading, thankyou.