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JustJohn

JustJohn Report 20 Sep 2012 23:19

I judge all of mine, Sue. If I have sufficient facts to judge them. Most I judge to have been quite nice and hardworking and honest. One or two (usually at top end of society) I am deeply ashamed to be associated with. One was involved in slavery, one booted Irish people out of Ireland for Cromwell.

And I would not like to have a brothel keeper in my lot, though I would record it and not hide the fact. But given the choice of being poor and respectable or making a fortune out of slavery, clearances or brothel keeping, I would choose poor and respectable 100 times out of 100.

Life involves judging - you have just judged me. ;-)

SueMaid

SueMaid Report 20 Sep 2012 23:27

I said I would never judge my ancestors, John simply because I think it unfair to judge them by our standards.

I don't judge you John because I don't know you - I judge the things you say at times.

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 20 Sep 2012 23:43

Sue You must give the biography writers of historical characters a wide berth. I have never seen one just present facts. Suspect no one would buy it anyway.

Have just been thinking of my "boring" 66 years today. So much that nobody knows, much I don't want them to know. But I have stood in 11 Downing St talking to Kenneth Clarke, I was a college friend of Lord Elis Thomas, I had Sunday tea when I was 7 yo (1953) with my "uncle Frank", his elderly mother and Billy Wright, who was then soccer captain of England, I was top grocery manager in UK in 1976, nearly bankrupt, Methodist preacher for last 13 years and I was an atheist till 36yo. List goes on. And my life has been pretty boring, probably boring in comparison to yours..

I look at my ancestors and wonder what they did in their lives - their high points and achievements. And there may be several biographies there. And we would judge them, I'm sure :-) :-) That would be the enjoyable part for me.

SueMaid

SueMaid Report 20 Sep 2012 23:53

I don't think of my life as boring John - but it would be by a lot of people's standards I'm sure. A very ordinary life but satisfying with hopefully a lot more to come.

Most of my ancestors were hardworking ordinary people - ag labs, road workers, ship builders and mariners. The backbone of the country I should think. Some poor as church mice and others who did well for themselves. The decisions they all made make me who I am today including my parents who brought me to Australia because they believed I would have a better life here.

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 21 Sep 2012 00:07

Hurray. At least we can communicate on this thread, Sue. Can I write your biography and you write mine.

Suspect you will come out a much nicer person :-D

SueMaid

SueMaid Report 21 Sep 2012 00:15

I doubt my life would fill a book, John.

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 21 Sep 2012 00:19

This is interesting

http://www.english.uwosh.edu/roth/Prostitution.htm

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 21 Sep 2012 00:20

I don't judge my ancestors, I put myself in their shoes.
Some (g grandmother for a start) were hypocrites - she told my gran she shouldn't marry my grandad as he was 'soiled goods' ie a widower.
This was a year after she'd married her 'husband' of over 20 years, and had 9 children by him - why the marriage?
His first wife had died!!!
Methinks (in fact I know) g grandma wanted granny (eldest child) to move back home to help her with the younger children as, at 47
- g grandad was 62 - she was about to have child number 10!!!

I also want to understand why another g grandad's brother tried to derail a train ,and why he was living in a place 'other than with his parents' (well, mum & stepdad) in a small village.
Newspaper reports lead me to believe he was a beligerant so and so, but I want to understand more. What made him a sullen little sh@t when his brother (my g grandad) became a policeman and was a very moralistic, but kind man, according to my (slightly wayward in her youth) gran?

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 21 Sep 2012 00:28

My judgment is that yoiu were a beautiful bride, Maggie. When you say the brother of your great grandda was a sullen little sh*t, how is that putting yourself in his shoes. Is it not an opinion or judgment either by yourself or someone closer to him?

I am beginning to think I am a lot less judgmental than either Sue or yourself. But you do look lovely in that photo (seriously)

supercrutch

supercrutch Report 21 Sep 2012 09:20

I would have loved to have found a brothel keeper in my family :-D

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 21 Sep 2012 09:37

I've got one, but not on the Jewish side :-D

In 1871 my grt x 3 uncle and his wife were jailed for 3 months hard labour in Essex. The charge was for 'keeping a bawdy and disorderly house' also described in a newspaper report as a 'house of infame'.

He wasn't mentioned in his fathers Will!

ButtercupFields

ButtercupFields Report 21 Sep 2012 09:42

hmmmmm...well I DO have a spare room and I am near a railway station and have always fancied a month in Tuscany...sooooooo...but I hasten to add...only willing wimmen and foolish men allowed :-D :-D :-D

JustJohn

JustJohn Report 21 Sep 2012 10:18

Disgraceful, BC :-0 :-0 :-0

If I was your father, I would smack your bottom hard ;-)

♥Deetortrainingnewfys♥

♥Deetortrainingnewfys♥ Report 27 Sep 2012 12:20

Well, I enjoyed last nights episode with William Roache.
The thing is, I asked myself why, the 3 girls were separated and moved away from Albert, there was no mention as to why Zilla still travelled and left her children behind? Or did I miss something?

It was nice to see the history behind Alton Towers and those old pictures were fantastic!

Susan10146857

Susan10146857 Report 27 Sep 2012 12:26

It is just possible that all the photos were taken by Albert.

how many of us have had children sleep over on census night.

I think too many assumptions were made.......and he can certainly talk for England....there wasn't much time left for research.

GoldenGirl1

GoldenGirl1 Report 27 Sep 2012 12:30

Had to tape it so haven't seen it yet.

Next week is Celia Imrie who traces her family
back to the 17th century, now this looks to be
an interesting one.

Emma

♥Deetortrainingnewfys♥

♥Deetortrainingnewfys♥ Report 27 Sep 2012 12:57

Susan

I kind of agree with you, it is assuming, though I doubt very much a 3month old baby would be "sleeping over" as far away as Stafford when they lived in Blackpool? And given all the other evidence about Albert - his dad cutting him out of his inheritance, Bill roaches' mother refusing to talk about her father, I think the evidence of the split is there.

Golden

Yes, the next one proves to have a little moor geneology research involved. Or perhaps, they had to go back further to find anything interesting to make good viewing this time?

GoldenGirl1

GoldenGirl1 Report 27 Sep 2012 13:14

Not going to spoil it for you but what i have read on
her ancestors lots of interesting facts.

Emma

Mary

Mary Report 27 Sep 2012 18:09

Well Alberts wife didn't fall out with him as she died 1940 and he was included in her will.
He was down as a retired caterer she left £6147
Albert died 1945 leaving £6,411 so he didn't squander his inheritance on drink.

The daughter May wasn't included in the will of Alice Waddicor the mum of Albert.
Although she was living with Alice on 1901/1911 census as daughter.
Albert was included in the will of Alice who died 1920.

1911 census states Albert and Mary Zillah had 4 children 1 died
This one perhaps James Albert Waddicor 1900 died J/F/M 1900 Fylde.
maybe Mary Zillah was suffering post natal depression or some other illness,so the children had to be boarded out.

I think sometimes they let their imagination runaway when making this programme.
Maybe it was the fact that Albert didn't like holidaying and remained at home to run the business,or he couldn't walk far as result of having his ankle broke in 2 places.

Another strange thing Mary Zillah died 1940 in her will she leaves her money to daughters Hester and Florence and Albert,no mention of May.
She was live she married 1923 to Ronald l Nicholson.

Still very interesting programme though.

Maryb.

GoldenGirl1

GoldenGirl1 Report 10 Oct 2012 13:28

Just a reminder for tonight as it was not shown last week.

Celia Imrie.

Emma :-)