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BEDROOM TAX

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Diane

Diane Report 25 Jan 2013 23:54

Well I'd like to see the powers that be live on £37 week paying for food heating clothing and travel expences to sign on.

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 25 Jan 2013 23:57

But Joy, if you can't afford to pay for extra rooms, and there are no 1 bedroom places available, it is 'suggested' (quite forcefully) that you move into B&B - quite often more expensive than a flat, and you'd have to 'eat out'. It also, essentially makes you homeless!!

Sod it if you have precious posessions and maybe a pet - you have to get rid of everything and get out.

Amanda2003

Amanda2003 Report 25 Jan 2013 23:58

I'd be more inclined to blame the Tories for selling off the council properties for a fast buck to be honest :-( but that is history isn't it :-S

I'm still hoping that as people wake up and smell the coffee the " peasents " will revolt ( like they did about the Poll Tax ) another piece of history and ill thought out policy .

The tidal wave of April is a heading our way....... just hang on tight .

JoyBoroAngel

JoyBoroAngel Report 25 Jan 2013 23:58

if all MPs where on minium wage you would see big changes to everything
they claim for second homes why cant they stay in a cheep B&B
well i would like to see them get the bedroom tax applyed to them to on their allowances

Amanda2003

Amanda2003 Report 26 Jan 2013 00:00

Move into B&B Maggie ? Now that really IS the biggest money spinner for the landlords :-0 It costs SILLY money to put folks up that way :-S

StrayKitten

StrayKitten Report 26 Jan 2013 00:01

the housing do NOT pay private rents in full! or in most cases i know they dont.

at the end of the day the money has to come from somewere, and why should a single person be in a 3 bedroom house while a family of 3/4 shar with there parents?

there is too many mostly men where i live, in 2 and 3 bedroom houses because they have there children on a weekend, who dont even see there kids, why should they live in a big house when familys need them?

i do feel sorry for people who have lived in house for 20 yrs etc, and are being made to move because the home there kids grew up in, is now just them, however, if it means so much pay the % needed,

most people pay more for there sky tv than they will for there extra room,

JoyBoroAngel

JoyBoroAngel Report 26 Jan 2013 00:01

and as you didnt have a spare bedroom they would gladly pay the costs

good point stray
also i know men who say they have their kids and dont
move in with a girlfriend

and sub let the social housing they get
housing benifits for to somebody else privatly

Amanda2003

Amanda2003 Report 26 Jan 2013 00:09

Without a doubt , there are people that could and ought to down size to smaller places but the points that are being made are that the councils do not have enough smaller places to offer the people that want to downsize .
Another thing that troubles me is that it is the middle aged people , whoes families have mostly grown up and moved on that are being pressurised . These same folk are the ones that probably look out for the older folk on their roads ( I know I do ) . If young busy families move in , who will take the time to go and change old Mrs ? light bulb or pass the time of day with her ? I can see even more community breakdown looming and I don't like it :-(

StrayKitten

StrayKitten Report 26 Jan 2013 00:12

yes they definitly need to build more social housing with less rooms to accomadate,

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 26 Jan 2013 00:13

I'm not understanding this at all and first I've heard of it

I live in a three bedroomed house on my own - I own the house and have lived here for 43 years - am I affected? - sorry to be thick

Amanda2003

Amanda2003 Report 26 Jan 2013 00:13

I'm off to my bed now . I don't often get involved in " debate " being a bit of a fence sitter in most situations but I do know what I feel on this issue and that , on the whole , it is WRONG !

Yes , there will always be " wrong uns " that cheat the system and look out for their own greedy ends but I feel tremendiouly sad for the people that are left holding the shit end of the stick :-( :-(

StrayKitten

StrayKitten Report 26 Jan 2013 00:14

if you dont claim housing benefit i dont think your effected x

Amanda2003

Amanda2003 Report 26 Jan 2013 00:15

No Ann , your ok . It only affects peole under the age of 61.5 years that claim housing benefit

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 26 Jan 2013 00:16

phew - thanks :-) :-)

JoyBoroAngel

JoyBoroAngel Report 26 Jan 2013 00:19

nobody will be forced to move
they will just have to pay the extra money

in our area the smaller properties will be decorated in nuetral colours
and carpeted right through before the person down sizes to help them with costs
this is good will on the part of the two housing associations in our area

JoyBoroAngel

JoyBoroAngel Report 26 Jan 2013 00:22

Ann home owners dont get housing benefit
some may get help with mortages but thats different


and it wont affect your rates or council tax
so dont worry your safe :-D :-D

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 26 Jan 2013 00:26

Definitely 'Divide & Rule'
The Tory party have been 'slagging off' the 'Poor' (when they say the word it sounds like they're taling about aliens) since they came in, carefully avoiding their own (class) shortcomings.

Tax avoidance is a lot higher than the total payment in benefits - but Tax avoidance is somethng their 'class' do, so it's okay.
Benefit 'fraudsters' on the other hand - well if some are doing it, they all must be! Remedy: lower benefit for everyone.

Unemployed? You must be living the life of riley - lower the JSA,then give money to employers (those known to the government, I'll be bound) to give these people a useless 'job' for 6 months - then they can go back on JSA

Result? 'Favoured' employers get OUR money AND cheap labour and quite a few full time jobs are denied - because the employers are raking it in with their cheap labour. They won't want to employ anyone full time, as it will involve annual leave, pension etc.

Oh - and the poor are fat.

The children of the poor get free school meals, threfore they presume these are the children needing extra help at school. From personal experience, I know this to be untrue, but still the lie continues,

It's the teenage children of the poor who get drunk - carefully ignoring the fact that Blairs teenage son was found drunk in the gutter!!
To stop this unholy drinking by the 'Poor' they decide to up the price of alcohol for our own sake. In reality of course, they increase the tax. The wealthy are okay, they regularly go on 'booze cruises'.Tax free booze from France.

And now.....why should they (the 'poor') have more room than they need? They should inherit like we did, then they could have as many houses as we've got. If they're going to insist on being poor, they shouldn't have enough room to swing a cat - in fact they shouldn't have a cat.

I could go on......


Muffyxx

Muffyxx Report 26 Jan 2013 00:32

When , as home owners, we had to claim for 3 mths whilst OH was out of work we had a HELL of a time..not only with the usual c**p from the job centre but MASSIVE pressure from our Mortgage insurers ..who having taken shed loads of our money during the good times made damn sure things were as difficult as they could make it for us to keep our home that we have sunk our LIVES into paying for. Had we not owned we'd have been entitled to all sorts...as it was we were put under even more pressure...I have bent over backwards forwards and sideways to pay my mortgage for the past 18 yrs because I've never wanted to feel like my home wasn't my own...it IS the only way of ensuring that....now that's not casting aspersions on anyone who didn't do or couldn't do the same..it's just MY feeling....I wanted to OWN my home not be cast adrift by changes in rules etc which can always happen if you are at the mercy of landlords/council.

BUT it's been bloody hard tbh...i've had to work two jobs in the past to pay my mortgage when others who haven't had that responsibility appeared to have it easier during the bad times..honestly home owners ARE given a hard time when they fall on bad times..the banks make bloody sure of that !

Huia

Huia Report 26 Jan 2013 00:35

Shame on you Ann, living on your own in a 3 bedroom house :-D. If you had a social conscience you would sell it to a large family (who probably couldnt afford it anyway) and buy yourself a small 1 bedroom flat in some distant part of the country.

I hope the NZ govt doesnt come up with the same idea as the pommy one, I also have a 3 bedroom house which I share with the cat, probably some rats, mice and fleas, and spiders. If anybody tries telling me I have to pay a big tax or move out you will hear my yells from over there. Big Brother beware. :-|

Diane

Diane Report 26 Jan 2013 00:40

Well joy how lucky you are in your area :-)

Single people in 3 bed houses I can see the point of them being asked to down size, me in 2 bed flat with no 1 bed flats available to go live in B+B, what the hell do I do with my home furniture and personal items.

This Tax is as bad as the window Tax they had

First imposed in England in 1696, Window Tax was repealed in 1851 after campaigners argued that it was a 'tax on health', and a tax on 'light and air', as well as being an unequal tax with the greatest burden on the middle and lower classes.

Next they will be taxing sex, well that is one I won't have to pay
:-D :-D

I'm off to bed now, let me see do I sleep in my bedroom or my spare room which is now my dining room as living room is to small for a table

Good night x