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Returning foreign offenders

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LollyWithSprinklez

LollyWithSprinklez Report 18 Feb 2013 01:34

I personally know of a case albeit a few years back of a Nigerian rapist being deported (rightly so) despite the fact he had a wife and two children here & an ex wife and child. I do not understand how others seem to pull the human rights act get legal aid to fight it and win. Barristers and Solicitors making a bundle and tax payers here having to fork out.

For once I agree with the thoughts of Theresa May. Even though that may stick in my craw.

terryj

terryj Report 17 Feb 2013 22:52

they are entitled to a family life true
where they have it is not specified so deport them and if their family agree to his right to a family life they can follow them

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 17 Feb 2013 21:32

precisely!!!!! [I think he was a shoplifter!!!!!]

JoyBoroAngel

JoyBoroAngel Report 17 Feb 2013 21:30

they should of saved the dog and put the criminal to sleep :-D :-D

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 17 Feb 2013 21:28

I was reading a case in our local newspaper last week - man up before the judge for some misdemeanor he had a house and a dog - the judge told him - if you go to jail, your house will be lost and your dog will be destroyed!!!! I thought this was a bit harsh on the dog

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 17 Feb 2013 21:26

Anybody can think what they like but the reality is that the UK is a signatory to the EHR and if Theresa May wishes to deport whoever she wishes than she will need to cancel out and there is no Commons majority for that.

Under long established law the appeal court judges have to follow (a) the wishes of parliament and (b) "natural justice". The latter is important because no member of the government has any power to hire or fire judges and it is (b) that is the backstop against such antics as fascists and communists go in for.

In "following the wishes of parliament" the legal precedent is that the judges are bound to assume that the UK has signed up to international treaties in good faith and hence they are enforceable at law. That means if statute law and the treaty are at variance it is the treaty that will win out.

This is the point that Theresa May and IDS seem incapable of understanding. She and ISD can promulgate rules and interpretations until they are blue in the face but statute law and treaties must and should take precedence.

I very much doubt that she can get legislation through the Commons which will change the present situation to any significant extent. First off there is in any case no commons majority for what she wants and secondly she seems to be asking parliament to effectively act as a court which it has not done since the trial of Warren Hastings.

IDS also will have little success in creating regulations designed to block Romanian gypsies and Bulgarian gangsters amongst others. As it is the UK has lost every single hearing concerning the application of the "Usual Residency Test" to EU citizens and is now very much at the end of the road.

It was Thatcher's government that was so keen to open up the single market and "bring in the peoples of Eastern Europe from the cold". France was basically against.

As you sow so shall you reap.





JoyBoroAngel

JoyBoroAngel Report 17 Feb 2013 21:20

one criminal claimed he couldnt be deported because he had a cat
i would have deported him and his bleedin cat :-D

Dermot

Dermot Report 17 Feb 2013 21:16

Prisoner exchange was very popular during the 'cold war' period. But it cannot be appropriate in these circumstances.

If the UK deports such dodgy individuals, then we must expect the return of our prisoners from abroad, which would not always be a welcome outcome for this country.

Theresa May found it hard to get one or two especially despicable miscreants away from the UK when, apparently, she had the legal opportunity to do so.

But we should not cut off our noses to spite our faces either. So far, all we hear from the UK Government are trite gimmicks to befuddle the electorate. They seem to think that they are always right even when they are not.

Something new must be tried out if only the Government showed some guts.

~`*`Jude`*`~

~`*`Jude`*`~ Report 17 Feb 2013 21:13

l think they should go back to!!

jude

JoyBoroAngel

JoyBoroAngel Report 17 Feb 2013 21:08

if the break the law they should be deported :-D
in fact if they break the law deport their full families
then they would police their own freeing the police work load :-D

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 17 Feb 2013 20:53

Theresa May in an interview today says she thinks the judges are working in favour of immigrants who commit crimes in this country to stop them being returned to their country of origin - using the "human rights" card - if they have family here they are being deprived - what do you think - I think they should go back regardless