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WHO IS OR WAS YOUR FAVOROT POLITITION

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Guinevere

Guinevere Report 4 Apr 2013 18:20

Not when he says in plain English that racism is the basis of nationality with the implication that it's fine, Gwen

How on earth can you interpret that differently? Please explain because I can't see any other interpretation.

Julia

Julia Report 4 Apr 2013 18:19

Well, not George Osbourne, who picked today of all days, to come to Derby, of all places and make the inflamatory speech he did, regarding Phillpot and every body on benefits. How crass and how low can anyone get.

Julia in Derbyshire

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 4 Apr 2013 18:17

EACH TO OUR OWN OPINION ISNT IT

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 4 Apr 2013 18:12

Can't see how you reach that conclusion, Dizzi.

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 4 Apr 2013 18:03

Guinevere
TO ME THAT QUOTE DOSN'T SAY THAT
HE'S A RACIST

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 4 Apr 2013 17:50

Didn't you read what I posted, John? He said himself that he *was* racist.

Quote “What’s wrong with racism? Racism is the basis of nationality.” unquote

JackBunion

JackBunion Report 4 Apr 2013 11:17

Enoch Powell. Was he a good politician? No, not in my view.

He was Minister of Health in one of his earliest appointments. The NHS was on its knees because of lack of staff and resources. He brought staff in from the West Indies and made a name for himself. Probably expected them to return home after their work here, but forgot to give them visas and we still needed them anyway for a long time.

Rivers speech was in a sense his swansong. It was admitting he had got his policies all wrong as Health Minister, had learned from his mistakes and was warning others of what might happen as a result.

Despite his flat Brummie tones, he was a great speaker. One of the most brilliant men of his day. A war hero. But an introverted, academic who never understood lives of ordinary people. A busted flush when he made the Rivers speech, and he knew it.

Not a racist (certainly not in the context of Wolverhampton in 1950's). I think today he would be shocked that people thought that of him. But he would have been very keen on proper border controls and would have given Blair and Cameron a very hard time :-)

Interestingly, he tried to do a TV programme about India in 1980's and was refused a visa. Never understood why, with 1 million pop India controls its borders so well compared to UK :-S :-S

eRRolSheep

eRRolSheep Report 4 Apr 2013 00:48

Hitler

Jean

Jean Report 4 Apr 2013 00:44

John Smith.

Annx

Annx Report 3 Apr 2013 17:28

Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher for me. They weren't afraid to say what they thought.

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 3 Apr 2013 17:21

CHRISSIE
I MEAN AGAINST WHITE

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 3 Apr 2013 17:14

Baron Ashley of Stoke. or as an MP, Jack Ashley. Don't believe I need to qualify his qualities as he was so well known. :-)

Chrissie

Chrissie Report 3 Apr 2013 16:48

Well said, Guinevere.

DIzzi, if you mean that all races can be racist I'm well aware of that. It doesn't mean it's right.

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 3 Apr 2013 15:46

Merlin, you keep repeating how much his constituents liked him and voted for him blah, blah, blah but not all of them did. Many of them thought he was a racist bigot at the time. His own party thought he was a racist, and would lose them the election.

He was a racist, he said so himself, so to say he wasn't is also to call him a liar.

He was also a traitor to the tories urging people to vote Labour in 1974.

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 3 Apr 2013 15:35

MERLIN
I HEARD THE SAME,A LOT OF HIS CONSTITUANTS WERE HARD WORKING IMIGRANTS AND AS YOU SAID ,,
HE SAID WHAT THEY WANTED HIM TO SAY..

CHRISSIE
I DO KNOW WHAT RACISM IS,AND CAN WORK BOTH WAYS

Merlin

Merlin Report 3 Apr 2013 14:07

Sorry Chrissie, Unless you knew the Man you cannot say that,most of his constituants were Imigrants and they voted for him because he said what they wanted him to say.

Chrissie

Chrissie Report 3 Apr 2013 13:10

Sorry Dizzi but anyone who doesn't think Powell was racist doesn't understand what racism is. Being anti immigration isn't necessarily being racist but being prejudiced against another colour is.

GinN

GinN Report 3 Apr 2013 12:37

I'm not a political animal, but the politicians of the past that I admire are Winston Churchill, Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher.
Can't say I have much admiration for the present bunch, but I'm watching the rise of Boris with great interest! ;-)

DIZZI

DIZZI Report 3 Apr 2013 12:30

ISNT IT STRANGE HOW SOME OF US THINK THINGS DIFFERENT,TO ME ENOCH SAID WHAT A LOT OF US FELT AT THE TIME BUT TO SCARED TO SAY SO..
BUT I WOULDNT SAY RASIST

Hayley   Empress of Drama

Hayley Empress of Drama Report 3 Apr 2013 10:16

Well said Guinevere Enoch Powell had a short memory like millions of others, didn't mind being part of the British empire when others from countires of this empire were fighting so he could have his " free speech" but when it came down to it he was just a racist