General Chat

@ Dermot. Adam & Eve were both adults.

I think it is accepted that some young girls have always liked to follow celebrities and there is nothing wrong that. This does not mean that they should be used as a target for sexual abuse. I find the term "Groupies" used by some people almost an acknowledgment that these young people were compliant with the the actions of the abusers. What I find totally unacceptable is that it is overlooked, that the abusers were ADULTS and their perverted and illegal actions were against CHILDREN.

Sex - the problem since Adam & Eve, wearing their birthday suits, were ejected from the Garden of Eden for nicking apples. There was some speculation in the godly tabloids that a slimy slithering snake was implicated.

If we are to believe 'The Good Book', they had a spot of bother with one of their offspring too.

Agree, a nine year old. Hardly a groupie.

Stuart Hall had a room at BBC i heard,where he' entertaned ' women, in the afternoon. Not sure where the nine year old fits in here.

It seems he was another one that was pretty blatant at what he was doing, that nothing was said. Similarly, J. S.

Sue

I was on a plane to the Isle of Man in the 1980's that he was on and he was so full of himself.Being a so called celebrity goes to their heads.

I can agree with Bob about groupies flaunting themselves at celebs and musicians and they are flattered..doesn't excuse behaviour,but some girls are beyond belief.
I witnessed a lot of this when I played in a band and some well known musicians were targeted by young girls...and this was in late 50s early 60s.

Think there could be a lot more keeping their heads down!

Ok..... if we are saying Stuart Hall had groupie followers in his youth, would a 9yr old be considered a groupie??

l did'nt say l did't agree with Bobtanian, but the way he put it in his post was more of a joke!! Its not the sort of thing to joke about. l'm not the only one who feels this either.

jude

I agree with Bobtanian about groupies,

I have seen groupeis as young as 14/15 but I fail to see how that would apply to a 9 year old

Roy

Sorry l though Bobtanian is a male??

Anyways...yes of course he/she is allowed an opinion, but its the way he/she did it, making what l thought was a joke..."He said"..."She said" etc
Groupies and non groupies are out there all the time and yes they do follow celebs about and yes some are probably asking for trouble but a 9yr old?????

Bobtainian is entitled to her opinion, as is everyone else.

She has a valid point. In those days, groupies followed their idols everywhere, waiting outside houses etc.,

I think people like Stuart Hall, Jimmy Saville and the rest, were people with alot of power and were above suspicion, as also members of any church woulld possibly be. This now we know is a load of rubbish. In the sixties, women were not regarded as in any way equal to men, and would be brushed off with something like 'dont be silly, just a bit of fun'.

Now, they have their chance, as things are different. I say all power to them, and am happy to see these sick people behind bars, where they should be.

Sue

:-) :-)

Kay, I no what a court usher does, They have other duties to carry out whilst the court is in session so will never hear ALL the evidence unless they are neglecting their other tasks.

Det, When you are on trial for an offence in this country then their are certain things kept from the jury, These things are not disclosed in open court because it could/would likely prejudice the decision of the jury (so not considered a fair trial)

They are on trial for the offence they are charged with and not any previous allegations, offences or crimes.

Roy

I can't see how anybody would think he was joking.

He was just stating another angle.

.......don't tar all females with same brush!!
Groupies or not they are also encouraged by the stars, not all of them l'm sure, but a hell of alot of them do/have....and as AnnC says this no joking matter and you obviously have not had to endure being in court as a victim of rape/assault!!
Think before you speak next time!!

jude

Or,indeed ,of being maliciously accused of anything.

Bob had a very valid point.There is always more than one facet to everything.

I know somebody who was accused of sexual assault by a young girl who was seeking attention. Complicated story where her friend had been abused and she cottoned on to it.

I have seen how ill that man became in the lead-up to the trial and the devastation it caused his family and the girl's mother who did not know what to do for the best.

The newspapersreported his arrest andthe date of the trial.

What they did not ever bother to do was to report that he had been totally exhonerated.

you post some excellent jokes Bob, but cases like this are no joking matter - thank your lucky stars you have never been a victim of sexual assault

A Court Usher may well have information that wasn't presented to the Jury.

When the Jury OH served on convicted someone at a re-trial, their Usher told them afterwards that the Accused had been suspected of at least 3 other murders in other parts of the country but with insufficient evidence to Charge.

Even when the behind-the-scenes information isn't shared, an Usher would have heard the same evidence as the Jury and drawn his/her own conclusions.

Absolutely, Kay. Yes it was his private opinion but then there wasn't much he hadn't seen or heard many times before.

PP an usher sits though all the case/s,so hear first hand.


I dont think any said they are judge and jury,but can afterwards have the right to a silent opinion.as can the general public who sit in.

What Bob says could hold true for some celebrities I suppose but I would not have thought it would apply to those currently in the news.

I doubt many under-age hearts were a-flutter at the thought of Stuart Hall or Rolf Harris. William Roache probably didn't have much of a problem with groupies either.

Well Bobtanian - obviously celebrities have to watch out for those 9 to 17 y.o. groupies. I am sickened by your post.

Being a court Usher does not qualify you to be a judge and jury,

To be a court usher, you should have good communication and people skills. You must be able to deal with people in difficult situations. (And you must also be tolerant and not judge people.)

Roy