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What ever happens, and and I really hope that there is a good out outcome but Maddys parents and their friends who they were with that night are going to feel guilty for the rest of their lives I would think.

DetEcTive you are very right but not only that would the general public leave them alone ....at home at school and just going down the street would be a bl"" dy hightmare

*IF* she were to be found alive, she may not have English as her usual language. It would be traumatic for her to be returned to her family if she had been adopted, which of course she would.
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Added - It isn't up to us to decide who she would live with, but the Law, the Courts, and Social Services. If she is mature enough to make an informed choice, surely that would be taken into consideration especially if adoptive parents did so in innocence?
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All of the family would need counselling, not only the parents and Madeline but also the twins. I do wonder what their (the twins) home life is like when you consider the efforts the parents have put into looking for their eldest child.

Sharron you are right

But as I,ve said its down to "some people " to decide what would happen to her IF she is found and sadly those "some people" are people like us!

I just hope she is happy and well cared for if she is still alive.

We are not debating what John says.

This thread is about Madeleine McCann.

Johns posts

Her parents have been frustrated in their efforts to find these truths, and have been dogged in their determination. It must have hurt deeply that so many people felt they were somehow involved in her disappearance, or negligent parents.


Totally right, Lynda. It is scurrilous to suggest they were negligent parents.


John doesnt say THEY DID , He says people

John,,


You ought to look at your 1st posting on this thread..

You were the 1st person to say NEGLIGENT PARENTS...

JohnLovesHorlicks Report 19 May 2013 10:04

I guess the most important thing is to find out whether she is still alive. And how long she lived after this abduction. Whether she was happy, whether she is happy?

Her parents have been frustrated in their efforts to find these truths, and have been dogged in their determination. It must have hurt deeply that so many people felt they were somehow involved in her disappearance, or negligent parents.

And I can remember clearly 2 events that happened before my third birthday, and many before I was 4. Little Maddy will have a good idea that something happened to her, if she is still alive somewhere

So either you think they were negligent or delete your 2nd posting as you cannot say other people shouldn't say they were negligent,
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April was 5 years old Susan, is that age acceptable to you, to be let out alone?

I wouldn't know, as I'd say every area/ country is different, as to when children can be given a bit of a free reign, from where I lived for a while in Spain, it was the norm for children to play out on a green or in a playground, with a parent looking in now and again

they were clearly negligent for leaving such small children alone and I agree with KempinaPartyhat. the other children referred to were much older and a different case altogether

Sadly Sharron the WHOLE topic would have to be looked at

If the parents are guilty of neglect then SHOULD the little girl be given back to them?

If a parent had done this in the UK would the child be given back to the parents ?

And HOW would it be decided and WHO would decide ???

I didn't really start this thread to discuss the guilt or negligence of the parents.I think that has already been done on here.

What I am interested in is what will happen if she is found safe and well somewhere. If she is with another family,and I hope she is,she will have lived with them longer than she lived with her own family.

Whatever happens now will only lead to more trauma for the poor little girl.

A patrol did operate in that complex but it seems the group of adults turned that offer down

We do not know for a fact that the little girl's parents were negligent; we were not there.

Reserving judgement on the McCanns, but.......

Holiday camps used to have people patrolling the chalet areas at night. There used to be tannoy announcements 'Baby/child crying in Chalet number...'. Does that still happen? Were the parents bad parents by leaving their children asleep in their room? I'd doubt if they'd actually enter the chalet during their patrol

Even baby monitors wouldn't necessarily pick up unusual noises. At a hotel we stayed at we found that our 4 year old child had been sick in bed. Would the person listening to all the monitors have identified if a 'stranger' had entered the room or assumed that it was a friend and a fractious child?

Whatever the situation ...if the children that go missing and are found dead or alive ...The public always want someone to blame

Its a personal situation

I wouldnt have left my children in a flat or room alone at that age asleep or not...

Now one thing which did come to light was Maddy (whatever her name ) was check on 45 mins before and the person said she wasnt in her bed BUT it took the next person (checker) to tell her parents

WHY?...and was this true

But we DON'T know they were negligent for goodness sake, but as I've said even if they were careless, does that make them worse than the abductor/s or are you saying the abduction was planned by the parents?

In the case of April Jones, which is in court at the moment, are you saying her parents were negligent in letting her out, or that Sarah Paynes parents were negligent when her children went out alone, I do hope not.

It's the abductors who are to blame, we should all be able to leave our children asleep, without the fear of them being taken by a stranger.

Sue is right and sadly we all know in our hearts they were negligent parents. Lynda - I agree, we've all had moments like when out shopping, etc. but you didn't go off to a restaurant and leave your children on their own

Totally right, Lynda. It is scurrilous to suggest they were negligent parents.

One thing I am very pleased about - SueC seems to be back to her combative best :-)

I once left my 4 month old son asleep, in our house, whilst we were outside our front door at a street party, we checked him every few minutes, also we lost our daughter in Oxford Street, she slipped my hand, she was found 15 minutes later, a couple had taken her to a shop, she told them we were going to.

Would I be classed as negligent, if someone had come through my back door and took our son, or the "wrong " couple had taken our daughter, I certainly hope not, the police who were called to look for our daughter never said I shouldn't have lost grip of her hand, they were as ecstatic as we were that she was found.

But had someone got in our house to take our son, or that couple taken our daughter, would we be saying that I should have been a better parent or would we be focusing on the scum that took them, I hope it would be the latter.

We don't know what happened in Portugal, we weren't there, just like when any other child goes missing, we weep for the parents.