General Chat

And those who tailgate me when the BUS in front cannot go any faster ...... grrr

Should also consider prosecuting stupid pedestrians who walk out in front of cars expecting you to stop immediately. Twice yesterday I nearly had 2 new hood ornaments.

And do not get me started on eco warrior cyclists .......

:-D :-D :-D

It is definitely not illegal. Nor has it ever been illegal, AnnC.

That was my whole point in quoting Highway Code. It happens every day on every motorway. Totally legally. And on A470 going into Cardiff. Totally legal.

Passed test Oct 9th 1963 :-) :-)

you had no idea undertaking was illegal? FGS - how long have you been driving?

Things like mobile phone and not wearing seat belts are fair enough. £100 automatic instead of £60. Keep police Christmas parties swinging and swell taxes charged to motorists who stray from rules.

But what about the worst crime of all whilst driving - smoking. Often see someone driving fast with children in car, smoking and chatting to her friends on phone. :-( :-(

I often see undertaking and had no idea it was illegal unless dangerous. Just checked Highway Code:

"The Highway Code discourages undertaking on motorways with some exceptions (rule 268): "Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake". Undertaking is permitted in congested conditions when frequent lane changing is not recommended.[4] On other roads, the Code advises drivers "should only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right" (rule 163).[5] Rule 163 uses advisory wording and "will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted", but may be used in evidence to establishing liability in any court proceedings.[6] On all roads, undertaking is permitted if the vehicles in the lane to the right are queueing and slow moving. Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences."

Couldn't agree more AnninG - but undertaking is what can happen if someone isn't/won't move over if its safe to do so. If they were more aware of their surroundings and other roads users, the hyperthetical situation wouldn't happen.

Under the proposed legislation, *all* parties would be at fault.

If the police had been doing their job for the last 20 plus years in the first place their would be no need for a Crackdown,

They have consistently put the blame for the accidents deaths and casualty rates on any thing and everything from speeding to mobile use but it's their inaction that's led to the amount of accidents, Had they enforced the laws throughout then I doubt these bad habits would have got out of control in the first place.

Roy

Undertaking is dangerous (and illegal in this country). What if the slower person, who is driving at the speed limit, is driven in by the tailgating person behind and then collides with the person undertaking?

i will believe it when i see it
pet hate is people toddling along the middle lane of the motorway
also hate people who drive along the outside lane of a duel carriageway because they will be turning right in a few miles time

Tailgating is sometimes the result of a driver hogging the middle lane/ over taking lane; the two can go hand in hand!
Both can cause accidents
- when some one (illegally) undertakes the hogger
- if the vehicle being tailgated has to brake.

Some of the middle/overtaking lane hoggers are travelling at the speed limit and feel that it is their right to impose that on drivers who are happy to take the consequencies for going faster. No - that's why we have speed cameras and police.

We had such a combination the other day - OH was told off by the back-seat driver ( :-D) for tailgating a 70mph vehicle. He said that he also had a car up his rear bumper. He ended up 'undertaking' as did the person behind him and several other cars.

Those slow motorists who drive too close in front of me should be fined too.

The news this morning - Anti-social roadhogs to face £100 fines: Crackdown on motorway drivers who clog up the middle lane

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335986/Roadhogs-face-100-fines-Crackdown-motorway-drivers-clog-middle-lane.html

Tailgating a new word for me..................