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could I just say "there is smoke WITHOUT fire"

It makes you wonder how many people in The industry have used their fame and trust to abuse, look how many people on this thread are shocked. I imagine that this will curb any abuse in future generations of people as i say int his sort of industry.

Its all about power isnt it.

I was watching an old Matyn Gaye doc a few mths ago, it was filmed in a hotel room, the room was full of people, I suspect many were hangers on. At one point the hotel manager walked in the room and attempted to converse with Mr Gaye, the man himself didnt even make eye contact instead his manager went over to Mr Gaye who whispered in his ear, Mr Gaye manager then turned to the hotel manager and said " Mr Gaye would like a drink of water please"...now that is power!!!! ..

How can we be shocked, none of us, as far as I can tell knew him, just like we didn't know Gary Glitter, Stuart Hall, and the like, they are just household names who's only image we saw are what they wanted us to see.

You may well be shocked when you first hear this sort of news, but if you sit back think about it, you shouldn't be shocked, these people are just names.

Please remember those who abuse are good at that role, they groom their victims, that's how they get away with it.

As for no smoke without fire,that's not always true, sometimes someone will say something, about another person, that will be said again.with a bit added, once a few people have told the story, the story is untrue.

So I am not saying Rolph Harris is guilty, I'll leave that decision to the jury who will know the facts, I'm just saying, never be shocked about any abuser.

so must the families of the victims

His family must be devistated.

I can understand where AnnC is coming from.

It comes as a shock, that some whom you have 'trusted' as being a good, honest and upright person - may not, after all, be as pleasant as you thought. It leaves you with a distinctly uncomfortable feeling :-(

Many years ago I worked with a bloke, whose pal had done some work at Rolf's home and after all the work was done (about 2 days). As he was leaving, having been paid, he comlmented on one of Rolf's paintings, saying how much he liked it. Rolf promptly took it off the wall and gave it to him, a really kind gesture.

Even hearing the news reports etc., I still find it hard to believe.

But as said before I am not prepared to judge him (or others) until the trial.

:-D.

Imagine how her maj feels,,,,,,,I bet that painting is now down in the depths of Buck House ready for the 5th Nov, :-D.


Why are people shocked when a household name is applied to abuse they are not a human set aside who dont act the same as Joe Bloggs.

It's the images that shock me. No smoke without fire but I will say innocent until proven. The trial and verdict will be interesting but my daughter has always said there was a something about him.

his name has been on the radar for a long time as are a lot of others who have not yet been named, yet we all think they are nice. i think a celeb wing should be set up in a prison for the lot of them when they are sent down. it will be a bit of company for mr hall.

Very relevant to the subject on this thread, a posting on one of my local facebook sites ;-

Naive in thinking that trust you can find within the family circle so closely confined. Innocent eyes so easy to trick. To young to realise these people are sick.

Realise what? It's never changed. How was I to know these folks were deranged.. We grow and we learn by the things that we see, is that not the way that its meant to be?

By the time your of age to have sense of your own. From baby to child, then to teens you have grown. Much damage is done, time cannot reverse. Life just goes on... no time to rehearse!

Tick, tick, tock... Biological clock. Time just keeps moving, it never stops. Looking around for whatever seems kind until there isn't even a place in your mind!

And so it goes around and around, an endless cycle, an unbreakable chain. Fractured society not hidden from view, no one can change it, not even you!

The end drawing nearer your offspring have grown only to find they have sh~t of their own. Naive in their thinking that trust they could find within the family circle so closely confined.

Breaking The Chain
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By ........ name on site where posted......


Edited one word.

Wasn't he on piers Morgans life stories a while back? I'm sure he didnt have agreat childhood if I can remember? There was also something about him then which actually changed my opinion of him when he admitted being mean and selfish to his wife and family hmmmn!!

True to say we really dont know these people and what goes on behind close doors.

Celebs in the news will always portray themselves in the best of light wont they. Thats how they get us to like them and then when something like this comes to light, we dont want to believe it because"they always seemed so nice."

Innocent til proven guilty but there's no smoke without fire!!

Florence
In the hebrides.

Challenge the culture of impunity.

THEY CAN ALSO HAVE FEMALE COMPANIONS TO MAKE IT
ALL SO INNOCENT

so true lynda,

What we all have to remember is that abusers will only portray an extremely polite, friendly and caring facade, that's how they snare their victims, they gain there trust, then, pounce, often leaving the victim in a state of disbelief as to what has happened, with child abusers, they will gain the trust of the parent, who will tell everyone what a lovely person the abuser is, leaving the child, once abused, in the position of telling on a parents friend, the abuser will know this and tell the child how the parent wouldn't believe them, and it will be "their secret", leaving the abuse to go on, and the child in turmoil.

We should bring our children up to trust, but we must tell them them, that if they are uncomfortable with how someone is behaving with them, they must tell us, no matter who the other person is.

It's in a 'celebrity's' best interests to be nice when they meet members of the public for 5 minutes. They know better than to present anything other than a nice friendly persona, it just wouldn't be good for their image to be rude.

our friend showed us where he lives
when we were away two weeks ago

its nothing to flash but still nice
ive met him at olympia cat show
and he was very nice
if he has did this i will be very disapointed he
seamed so lovely :-0 :-0

regardless of what you think he is like, know ones knows what he is really like, even people who live with him,

he may be innocent he may not be

so you can disbelieve all you like but till the trail no one will no for sure,

im not shocked as predators come in all shapes n sizes, its only when the victims show great strentgh that they can be any justice

about 35 years ago now he came to open a new part of a park near me and i and lots of others went to see the opening, his jokes were so blue that i was disgusted .. there were lots of children and young people there and i have never liked him since...