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I'm not seeing the Airey's after 1891

I wonder if this is Ellen's death....

Ellen Airey in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ellen Airey
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 34
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 73

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19000108.2.46?query=wilson skeen

(have a look round on below, possibly more)

Chris :)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

(also google search, bringing up items)

I have just checked that out Choccy and it's Patricia's tree.

:-)


New Zealand, Marriage Index, 1840-1934?
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: Wilson Skeen
Spouse: Minnie Egan


She has Minnie's parents as Thomas Egan and Frances Moore...so i am on the right track!

I think she will be pleased with all this information as she doesn't have it in her tree.

??

Ancestry tree has a 'Minnie Egan' marrying Wilson Skeen in 1899 in New Zealand.

Death of Thomas Egan


Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
EGAN Thomas 39 Salford 8d 58

Thomas Egan in the UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Thomas Egan
Death Date: 11 Sep 1875
Cemetery: Philips Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Miles Platting, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Has Bio?: N

URL:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=140806843&ref=acom

AIREY on original


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Queen Street, Salford, Lancashire, England


Walter Aney Head Married Male 32 1859 Labourer Bolton, Lancashire, England

Ellen Aney Wife Married Female 33 1858 Tailoress Dublin, Ireland

Annie Aney Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Salford, Lancashire, England

William Aney Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Salford, Lancashire, England

Frances Aney Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Salford, Lancashire, England

Regarding the birth you posted Choccy.....

How coincidental is this?

Frances Hagan in the 1881 England Census
Name: Frances Hagan
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dublin, Ireland
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 4 Ashton St
Marital Status: Widow <<<
Occupation: Tailoress <<<
Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Greengate

Household Members:

Frances Hagan 32
Ellen Airey 22 Married (Sister) Tailoress Dublin' Ireland
Maria Alice Airey 5 (Just Maria Alice on the image) Salford ********
Frances Airey 3 (Just Frances on the image) Salford

On the 1871 census I posted......Frances had a sister Ellen Moore


Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
Airey Walter Salford 8d 129
MOORE Ellen Salford 8d 129

??


England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915?

Name: Maria Alice Hagan
Birth: Apr 1876 - Salford, Lancashire


Births Jun 1876

Hagan Maria Alice Salford 8d 81

??

Frances Egan in the 1871 England Census
Name: Frances Egan
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Egan
Gender: Female
Where born: Florwich, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Heath and Newton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Newton

Household Members:

Thomas Egan 34 (Labourer for Tailors) Ireland
Frances Egan 26 (Tailoress)
Ellen Moore 53 (Widow) Dublin, Ireland
Ellen Moore 64?? Unmarried....Daughter....Wife's Sister...Dublin, Ireland (Age 11??)
Stephen Walden?? Egan 1 Son Dublin, Ireland
(Residence...3 Crook Street)

So one might assume that Ellen Moore senior (Widow) is the mother of Frances and Ellen.


Stephen Watter Egan in the Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: Stephen Watter Egan (Possibly Stephen "Walter" Egan on the image)
Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1871
Parish: Collyhurst, Albert Memorial Church
Parish as it Appears: The Albert Memorial Church
Father's name: Thomas Egan (Pensioner) 3 Crook Street
Mother's name: Frances Egan
Reference Number: M140/1/27/2
Item Number: 12
Archive Roll: 513

Stephen Walter Egan in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Stephen Walter Egan
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Registration Year: 1873
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 3
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 193




Frances Harman in the 1911 England Census
Name:Frances Harman
Age in 1911:61
Estimated birth year:abt 1850
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Dublin, Ireland
Civil Parish:Salford
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address:28 Gravel Lane Salford
Marital Status:Widowed
Occupation:Provision Dealer
Registration district:Salford


Household Members:

Frances Harman 61
Thomas Smith 14 (Grandson)

Minnie was Frances Smith's daughters nickname.......she was actually born Maria Alice Smith.

Maria Alice Smith in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Maria Alice Smith
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 116


Frances Smith in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frances Smith
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 28 Gravel Lane Greengate Salford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation:Fancy Box Maker (cardboard)
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Broughton



Household Members:

Frances Smith 33
Thomas Smith 14
Maria Alice Smith 12

Married 15 years......2 children born and living.

As you can see, son Thomas is also on the 1911 census with his Grandmother.

Who, where and when did your Grandmother Maria Alice Egan marry Patricia??

(Edit: I know the answer to that now! ;o))

As this is Patricia's first post, I will send her a PM.

If that is Maria Alice's parents marriage, Mother Frances remarried in 1881

Frances Egan in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name: Frances Egan [Frances Moore] (Widow) Manchester
Birth Year: abt 1849
Marriage Date: 14 Sep 1881
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Samuel Moore (Smith) Deceased
Spouse's Name: Charles Herman (Soldier 43rd Foot) Oxford
Spouse's Father's Name: Edward Haman (Tailor) Deceased
Archive Roll: 744
Witnesses: Michale Burke and Elizabeth Davies

??

Frances Harman in the 1891 England Census
Name: Frances Harman
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Harman
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Cheetham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prestwich

Household Members:

Charles Harman 50
Frances Harman 44 (Tailoress)
Maria Harman 15 <<<<<<< (Tailoress) Salford, Lancashire
Francis Harman 13 (Daughter)
Grace Coole 29

??

Alice Harman in the 1901 England Census
Name: Alice Harman
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Mother: Frances Harman
Birth Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Sacred Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate

Household Members:

Frances Harman 54 Ireland (Widow) Shop Keeper
Alice Harman 24 (Florist)
Frances Smith 23 (Married Daughter) Fancy Box Maker
Minnie Smith 2 (Granddaughter)
Thomas Smith 4 (Grandson)

So did your Maria Alice take on the surname of her Stepfather?

Or perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree!

You can order the certificate here.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Her parents marriage..........

???

Thomas Egan in the Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral)
Name: Thomas Egan (Bachelor) Mason
Birth Year: abt 1839
Marriage Date: 7 Jun 1870
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: William Egan (Mason)
Spouse's Name: Frances Moore (Spinster)
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Moore (Smith)
Archive Roll: 737
Witnesses: Andrew Taylor and Eleanor Turner
Residence for both.....Greengate, Salford

Hi Patricia and welcome to the boards.

I'm not seeing her birth registration.

In case you don't have her baptism record.........

Maria Alice Egan in the Manchester, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1901 (Cathedral)
Name: Maria Alice Egan
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1876
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1876
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Thomas Egan ...Abode: Manchester....Labourer
Mother's name: Frances Egan
Archive Roll: 774

please can someone advise me how to obtain an English birth certificate from NZ .
She was my grandmother as was known as Minnie in NZ.