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Is that a first name for someone, I have it as a witness on a marriage certificate so I don't know if I have read it right or if it is male or female. Thanks.

Nothing on freebmd for the name, is it perhaps abbreviated or just badly written? Can you find them using the surname?

Could it be Joachim ?

The first 3 letters are definitely Joi but can't make out what the rest are, also the other witness surname is badly written but that is female as the first name is Margaret. :-D

Could be Margaret’s mother’s surname as a middle name?

I've given up on that for a while, my head is spinning at the moment.

Could it be 'Ja' rather than Joi?
Just thought it could be a short version of Jasmine.

Is the marriage cert one with an image which we can view online?

When was the marriage? Should we be thinking of modern names or "old-fashioned" names?

What is the person's surname?

All I can say is I don't know if it can be viewed on line, the name looks like Joism middle name is James surname is Frame so I don't know if it is male or female, he / she is witness to a marriage in 1919.

Also, what area are we talking about?
I find it quite useful to say a group of 'unintelligible' letters in the local dialect.
The vicar may be from elsewhere, and just writes down what he hears.

On my Cornish side, I have 'Landeryou's'
On her baptism, my ancestor's surname was spelt 'Landeria'
Her siblings were baptised as:
'Landeriou', 'Landeriowe', and Landerio

Other forms of the name are:

Landirriowe
Landerow
Landeriow
Landeryeo
Landerioe
Landearyou
Landerrio
Landerion
Landeryer
Landeryo
Landeruou
Landeriu
Landayoue

However, say all these names in a strong Cornish accent - and they almost sound the same! :-D

Please tell us the names of the bride and groom - then we'll know exactly which marriage to look for.

From the info in your "Researching box", I assume the marriage was in Gateshead/Newcastle area.

Could the name be a badly written "John"?

A John James Frame was born in South Shields reg district in 1897.
Also one in Newcastle in 1893.


FRAME, JOHN JAMES mmn CHRISTIE
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 93

FRAME, JOHN JAMES mmn CUMMINGS
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 784

The bride is Ada Frame, the groom is William Pease. The marriage in Jesmond Newcastle Upon Tyne. Does that help?

Thanks.

William Pease
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: William Pease
Registration Date: Oct 1919[Nov 1919] [Dec 1919]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Spouse: Ada Frame
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 96


Presumably the witness was some relation of Ada's.


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Ada Frame
in the 1911 England Census
Name Ada Frame
Age in 1911 11
Estimated Birth Year abt 1900
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil parish St Andrew
County/Island Northumberland
Country England
Street Address 8 Sandyford Square
Marital Status Single
Occupation School
Registration District Number 558
Sub-registration district St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel 08
Piece 30565
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert N Frame 51 Head
Susannah Frame 39 Wife
James Frame 17 Son
Robert Frame 15 Son
Emily Frame 14 Daughter
Ada Frame 11 Daughter
William Frame 8 Son
Edward Frame 4 Son
George Frame 1 Son

Looks like the witness could be the 1893 John James Frame - birth already posted.
Listed as James on the 1911 census above.


Susannah was Robert N's second wife:

Robert Newton Frame
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Robert Newton Frame
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 253
Records on Page:
Name
Robert Newton Frame
Susannah Richards


FRAME, ADA mmn RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 100

So the older children were born before their father remarried:

FRAME, ROBERT mmn CHRISTIE
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 88

RICHARDS, EMILY -
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 959

Thank you all so much for your help.
Argyllgran, that last message you put up is looking good thank you :-)

The father Robert N's first marriage:

Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
Christie Barbara Newcastle T. 10b 240
FRAME Robert Newcastle T 10b 240

and his wife's death:

Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
Frame Barbara 31 Newcastle T. 10b 64