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Kay???? Report 14 Jun 2012 11:56

have you got latest Adobe Reader installed? if not you can update from the web.


alan Report 14 Jun 2012 10:59

should still get image from free births and marriages


Kay???? Report 14 Jun 2012 09:49

alan,,,,,,,you will get image unavaliable if you havnt subcribed payment to view the indexes.......

havnt you any relatives on your fathers side that can give you any further details something that seems unimportant can shed lots of light .........Madeline may have not been born in England,,,,her birth isnt registered in Scotland.......


alan Report 14 Jun 2012 08:43

Trying to see if can confirm through researching her sister, but AGAIN, image unavailable


KINGSMILL Report 14 Jun 2012 07:52

I have sent you PM's

Shropshire ties in with the one I sent you
I have deleted my earlier post but doing the search again I still come back to the same woman ........... plus the evident I have email you

Strange, do you not think !!!

You can always find her BUT not have contact.
Would be good though, to know where she is, so you could stop the search.



wisechild Report 14 Jun 2012 07:35

As thebirth was during wartime it's possible that her mother was evacuated, as many pregnant women were or that she was in the forces/on war work away from her home. In either case, the child could have been born anywhere so son't rule out any possibilities.


Kay???? Report 13 Jun 2012 22:24

Alan it is a J and not T......

did Madeline/Madeleine have any siblings that you know of?

have you checked out the address from the marriage in 1968 to see who else lived there?


alan Report 13 Jun 2012 19:08

really frustrating, trying to confirm MT born in 1944 Northumberland middle initial is a J, and just getting image unavailable


alan Report 13 Jun 2012 19:05

oops yeah, asked for 1944 birth certificate. looking at records defiantely a J. parents seperated in 1973. really confused what to do next?


EvieBeavie Report 13 Jun 2012 17:38

thank you Kay, I checked the image at ancestry now and yes, it is *J* very plainly.

Has the Swann marriage been ruled out definitively?

It's just that there are births for that surname with MT's married surname as mother, in 1970 and 1973 in Lichfield and Nottingham, with no marriage to account for them (although of course the mother could have married under a previous married surname).

It's just that as we were recently saying in another thread people did not always give true facts for certificates. A woman who was married but did not want to register her children in her husband's surname might call her married surname (the name she was known by) her maiden name so she could register her children in their father's surname rather than her husband's.

Alan have you said how long after their marriage your parents separated?

Also I'm wondering whether Theresa might be a baptismal name and so she might have had no middle initial or a different one at birth.


EvieBeavie Report 13 Jun 2012 17:13

There is a MT birth in first quarter 1944 in Norfolk ...

The mother's name is very unusual, it appears in the indexes only for that birth and a much later marriage and birth and one death of someone born 1904.

Actually that deceased person's name was spelled differently at birth (*ey). There does seem to be a family with the name in the 1800s ... but with the *ey spelling it is much more common. But with the variant spelling there is still no marriage to account for that birth, or other births with the names.

But ... that's solved. The surname wasn't actually *pp*, it was *bb*, and there are a marriage (the bride's name is MT) and other births for the surnames. The MT born in 1944 in Noroflk marries in 1969, probably.

So I will leave that here to rule her out in case anyone else has the same questions: the MT born in Norfolk in 1944 is accounted for by an error in the GRO index for her birth registration. :)


Kay???? Report 13 Jun 2012 16:08

They wont have Allan,,,

Its Madeline J Watson..........reg county Northumberland


EvieBeavie Report 13 Jun 2012 15:45

I have just been reading your interesting thread Alan.

Did you mean

They have no birth certificate for the Madeline T Watson born in *1944* in Northumberland


I am curious about the birth being shown only at one website. Has someone checked the image of the GRO index to make sure it is transcribed correctly at fmp? It seems odd that both freebmd and ancestry would get it wrong independently.

What year/quarter was the birth per fmp?


alan Report 13 Jun 2012 13:54

Just had a email off place that processes birth certificates. They have no birth certificate for the Madeline T Watson born in 1947 in Northumberland :(


alan Report 7 Jun 2012 08:56

sent off for birth certificate of madeline born in northumberland, see if can get some sort of conformation


alan Report 5 Jun 2012 20:30

there is a local research centre, gonna pay 'em a visit


ValT Report 5 Jun 2012 17:23

Just a thought, would you be able to go to the local library near Somerfield Road and see who was at 95 around 1968?


jax Report 5 Jun 2012 17:05

Have sent details of a poss sister of the Madeline born 1944 including most recent where abouts...although not the full address


Flip Report 5 Jun 2012 16:49

Never give up Alan! That's why this site is so valuable, another lead which none of us had followed up on. Thanks to Jax (and Kath) there is still hope.

Think it really is worth the £9.25 to invest in the birth cert to find out if she is still a possibility, as there may be possible siblings.


alan Report 5 Jun 2012 16:27