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elspeth beveridge townhill born 1853

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LadyScozz

LadyScozz Report 24 Aug 2013 11:39

Avril ~

We may be 8th cousins.

I'll send you a pm.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 14 May 2013 13:35

If William Gillespie was Elspeth's only son then his descendants would be her only direct line living relatives. You could also trace possible descendants of her siblings.

As has been said you really nedd to use Scotlandspeople.

Good Luck.

avril

avril Report 13 May 2013 20:50

thank you all for your help and information regarding elspeth beveridge married to matthew rutherford. I've still not got the hang of pressing the right things relating to genes reunited.I am trying to find living relatives of elspeth as she was the "unknown" who started me off in my search.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 12:20

1861

Name: Richard Beveridge
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Beveridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunfermline, fifeshire
Registration number: 424/2
Registration district: Dunfermline Landward
Civil parish: Dunfermline Landward
County: Fife
Address: Elgin Colliery
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 136
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_55
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Beveridge 46
Agnes Beveridge 45
Agnes Beveridge 17
Mary Beveridge 10
Elspeth Beveridge 8
May Beveridge 5
Archibald Beveridge 1

1881

Name: Richard Beveridge
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Beveridge
Gender: Male
Where born: Halbeath, Fifeshire
Registration number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: Second Row
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 23
Household schedule number: 68
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_118
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Beveridge 66
Agnes Beveridge 65
Alexander Beveridge 17

Death registrations for Richard and Agnes will give the parents' names if the informant knew the details and that will take you back another generation.

You really need to get some credits for Scotlandspeople.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 12:11

The James in 1841 that is living with George and Euphemia in 1851

Name: James Badge
[James Badger]
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: East Lothian, Scotland

Civil parish: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: Main Street
Parish Number: 722
Household Members: Name Age
David Badge 41
Janet Badge 42
Janet Badge 11
James Badge 9
Moffat Badge 5
Jane Badge 2

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 12:09

Wondered where Townhill came into it. I see that is where Matthew and Elspith married. Both gave there ages as 19 when they married on 11 November 1872. His father George, a Coal Miner and mother Euphemia (her maiden surname looks something like Bagie?). Elspith parents Richard, a Coal Miner and Agnes maiden surname Geddes.

1872 RUTHERFORD MATTHEW BEVERIDGE ELSPITH DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE 424/02 0058

1851

Name: George Rutherford
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Euphemia Rutherford
Gender: Male
Where born: Tranent, haddingtonshire
Parish Number: 722
Civil parish: Tranent
Town: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: New Row
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 3
Page: 14 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 52
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_194
Household Members: Name Age
George Rutherford 25
Euphemia Rutherford 25 b. Tranent, haddingtonshire
David Badger 6 Visitor, b. Tranent, haddingtonshire
Archd Rutherford 2
James Badger 19 Servant, Coal Miner, b. Tranent, haddingtonshire

1841

Name: George Rutherford
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: East Lothian, Scotland

Civil parish: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: Main Street
Occupation: Coal M
Parish Number: 722
Household Members: Name Age
Archibald Rutherford 55
Margaret Rutherford 55
Elisabeth Rutherford 20
Janet Rutherford 20
Helen Rutherford 15
John Rutherford 15
William Rutherford 14
George Rutherford 14

(Remember that adult ages were rounded down to mutiples of 5 for the purposes of the 1841 census)

Euphemia not with her parents in 1841 (her death registration if she died after 1855 will give her parents names if the informant knew the details)

1841

Name: Euphemie Badger
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: East Lothian, Scotland

Civil parish: Prestonpans
County: East Lothian
Address: Prestonpurs
Occupation: F S
Parish Number: 718
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Clark 35
Jannet Clark 25
Margret Clark 4
Agness Clark 2
Mary Ann Clark 3 Mo
Agness Watt 20
Euphemie Badger 1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 11:49

A tree on Ancestry has

William Beveridge Gillespie

Birth 14 Aug 1873 in Townhill, Dunfermline, Fife
Death Living
Death

The tree gives details of his wife and children but no information other than names for his parents.


You really do need Matthew and Elspeth's marriage certificate for their parents names.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 26 Mar 2013 11:46

1891

Name: Matthew Rutherford
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elspeth Rutherford
Gender: Male
Where born: Port Seaton, Waddingtonshire
Registration number: 410
Registration district: Beath
Civil parish: Beath
County: Fife
Address: No 10 Fairfield
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1891_124
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Rutherford 35
Elspeth Rutherford 38
William Gillespie 18 Stepson, b. Dunfermline


A correction note added for William

William Beveridge rather than William Gillespie
This child was born 1872 William Gillespie Beveridge illegitimate son of Elspeth Beveridge (reputed father William Gillespie) his mother later married Mathew Rutherford .. in 1881 census he is shown as William Rutherford son of Matthew Rutherford....in this census (1891) he has named himself William Gillespie taking his birth fathers surname... he continued with the surname Gillespie until his death
Submitted by normathain on 07/04/2012


1901

Name: Matthew Rutherford
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elspeth Rutherford
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton, Port
Registration number: 405
Registration district: Auchterderran
Civil parish: Auchterderran
County: Fife
Address: 11 Russell St
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 143
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1901_129
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Rutherford 45
Elspeth Rutherford 48

Possible mistranscription for Matthew in 1871 - as has already been said, the marriage certificate will give his parents' names including his mother's maiden surname.

Name: Mather Cates Rutherford
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: George Rutherford
Mother's name: Euphemia Rutherford
Gender: Male
Where born: Corl Satony, e lothian
Registration number: 722
Registration district: Tranent
Civil parish: Tranent
Town: Tranent
County: East Lothian
Address: Boeguton Road
Occupation: Miner
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1871_173
Household Members: Name Age
George Rutherford 44
Euphemia Rutherford 45
Mather Cates Rutherford 16
Margaret Rutherford 12
Jemima Rutherford 7
Daniel Rutherford 5

If he was born in 1855 then his birth registration will give more details than later ones. 1855 was the first year of statutory registration in Scotland and the authorities were still working out what information should be recorded.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Mar 2013 22:24

1881 SCOTLAND

Name: Matthew Rutherford
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elspit Rutherford
Gender: Male
Where born: Port Caton, Haddington
Registration number: 424
Registration district: Dunfermline
Civil parish: Dunfermline
County: Fife
Address: 5 Water Row
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 24
Household schedule number: 201
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881_118
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Rutherford 25
Elspit Rutherford 27
Willm Rutherford 8


If you have the marriage cert it gives the details of the parents.

FindMyPast and Ancestry have the transcriptions of 1841 - 1901 census but not the images.

Scotlandspeople is the best but not a subscription site and you would need to buy credits.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Mar 2013 22:18

Which country ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Mar 2013 22:16

Avril

Did you mean to post on this board as hardly a lookup for living rellies

GB

avril

avril Report 25 Mar 2013 21:41

ELSPETH, WAS MY GRT.GRT. GRANDMOTHER. SHE MARRIED MY GRT.GRT.GRANDFATHER MATTHEW COATES RUTHERFORD in 1872 WHIO WAS STEPFATHER TO HER SON
WILLIAM BEVERIDGE GILLESPIE.

WOULD APPRECIATE FURTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON ELSPETH OR MATTHEW'S FAMILY.

MANY THANKS. AVRIL