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Francis EH Peel b 1883 Wales, d 1918 S Africa

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JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 19 May 2016 23:26

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1359990

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 19 May 2016 23:19

I have solved this but this was only possible with the help of everyone on this site who put the pieces together with me.

I have now found my cousins, and there are loads of them!
Thankyou so very very muc

Rambling

Rambling Report 19 May 2016 16:25

pM sent, looking hopeful!

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 19 May 2016 16:12

thanks, I have PM back,

Rambling

Rambling Report 19 May 2016 15:50

I'm going to PM a possible marriage for Pamela, it's a long shot but having found them on the electoral roll also, the age is about right, it may be worth writing if only to eliminate that one.

There are several Pamela R marriages, but most connect with marriages in the same locale as birth.

Rambling

Rambling Report 19 May 2016 15:35

The Burgess who married Gange is Patricia not Pamela...I think there might be a mistake on the tree...which sadly doesn't help.

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 18 May 2016 19:34

Hello you lovely helpers. Do you think I have found Pamela Rawson Burgess - daughter of Valerie. could she be Pamela Rawson Gange now (I found a tree on Ancestry with Valerie on it). Where will I find the marriage for her, as she is still alive I think. Thankyou...

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 18 May 2016 18:32

Thankyou Shirley, I hope when the death certificates arrive I will get an address for Pamela as the next of kin on one of them. If Neville died without marrying then she was presumably his next of kin too.

I will keep investigating in South Africa for a marriage /children for Neville now - just in case!



Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 May 2016 16:19

I did look for possible births burgess /peel and there were several coming up not knowing where they lived couldn't say if any where Valerie's children

Pamela was reg in Amersham bucks but is the only one for that district

The last address for Valerie and Pamela on the outward passenger list was Fernlea ,Cookham, Berkshire

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 18 May 2016 14:22

I have found a daughter, called Pamela Rawson Burgess, born in 1948. She accompanied her mother, Valerie, age 1 1/2 to Singapore where I presume her father was stationed. He is named as an Army Officer.

It has come to life again, this search. :-)

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 18 May 2016 13:22

WOW, thank you for filling in the gaps I had.
So that makes Neville the 3rd child definitely (which is good)
and it looks like none of them (Valerie, Edmund or Neville) had children of their own.

Edmund stayed in Durban and I am left hoping he had children with Mrs van Reenan / Cobbledick though I think she had children before she married him, and I can find no evidence they had 'Peel' children

My trail for this Great Uncles family might end here. How very sad.

I will try to get a hold of the death certificate just to be sure.

Again, thank you.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 May 2016 11:30

So he died in the same area as Valerie .doesnt look like he married

Maybe he lived with her, the death cert info may help in who the informant was

NEVILLE LAWRENCE H
Last name PEEL
Gender Male
Birth day 21
Birth month 6
Birth year 1916
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1979
District CHICHESTER
County Sussex
Volume 18
Page 1379
Country England

Rambling

Rambling Report 18 May 2016 10:58

Travelling with FL JR (Burgess)

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Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
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First name(s) V M H
Last name BURGESS
Title MRS
Gender Unknown
Departure year 1949
Departure day 25
Departure month 8
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port SINGAPORE
Destination SINGAPORE
Country SINGAPORE
Destination country SINGAPORE
Ship name EMPIRE HALLADALE
Ship official number 180914
Ship master's first name J MCGILL
Ship master's last name BROWN
Shipping line ANCHOR LINE LTD
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port SINGAPORE
Ship destination country SINGAPORE
Ship registered tonnage 9070
Number of passengers 39
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 May 2016 10:51

She died in this country

VALERIE MINNIE N
Last name BURGESS
Gender Female
Birth day 18
Birth month 10
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1979
District CHICHESTER
County Sussex
Volume 18
Page 1471
Country England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 May 2016 10:47

Looks like she returned to the UK and married


First name(s) VALERIE M H
Last name PEEL
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1946
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ VALERIE M H PEEL married
JAMES R BURGESS
Spouse's last name BURGESS
District KENSINGTON
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 5C
Page 2524
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 18 May 2016 10:45

Thanks, I have also just found a marriage of a Valerie MH Peel in Kensington London 1946 to a James R Burgess. I am not sure if this is her or not as the record is not very specific, but maybe she only went to US for a year in 1942 and came back and was promoted.
Her cousins all live(d) in Canada at Shoal Lake and Alberta, which explains the trips there, and she was very close to her aunt, (my grandmother) Dulcie who lived in UK all her life (d. 1957 )
Thank you so much for finding the Gazette news which is definitely her! Emma

Rambling

Rambling Report 18 May 2016 10:33

Earlier trip, gives homes address as Laugharne


First name(s) VALERIE
Last name PEEL
Gender Female
Age 25
Birth year 1914
Occupation TYPIST
Departure year 1939
Departure day 22
Departure month 7
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port MONTREAL
Destination MONTREAL
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name AUSONIA
Ship official number 145970
Ship master's first name C H
Ship master's last name BATE
Shipping line CUNARD WHITE STAR LIMITED
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship registered tonnage 8423
Number of passengers 341
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Rambling

Rambling Report 18 May 2016 10:31

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

First name(s) VALERIE
Last name PEEL
Gender Female
Age 28
Birth year 1914
Occupation W R N S
Departure year 1942
Departure day 28
Departure month 3
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port SAINT JOHN NB
Destination SAINT JOHN NB
Country CANADA
Destination country CANADA
Ship name EMILE FRANCQUI
Ship official number 157
Ship master's first name F
Ship master's last name PARET
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port SAINT JOHN NB
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship registered tonnage 3504.11
Number of passengers 12
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

Rambling

Rambling Report 18 May 2016 10:26

Valerie is mentioned here 1944, member of the WRNS

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/36397/page/952/data.pdf

EMMAPEEL

EMMAPEEL Report 18 May 2016 09:38

I am looking for the living descendants of my great uncles Francis, born 1883 in Laugharne, Wales, married in 1912 at St Lukes Church Howick Natal South AFrica to Hilda Mary Gibson. Francis died in 1918 in Benoni, South Africa.

THey had 3 children.
1. Valerie Minnie Hurt Peel b 1914 South AFrica, last information I have is she emigrated to US via UK in 1942 age 28.
Did she return to UK, SA, or stay in Canada maybe, marry, and have issue

2. Edmund Allan Hurt Peel, b 1915 SA. Married 1940 Emily Hobhouse van Reenan Cobbledick and lived in Durban
I dont know if they had children or whether she had children from her first marriage to Alfred (?) Cobbledick only

3. Neville Lawrence Hurt Peel b 21.6.1916 in SA and came to UK in 1953 and died in Chichester in 1979

Did any of these 3 have children, and if so, can anyone help me find them.

Thanks. Emma (Peel once up a time)