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What about the Florence who travelled in 1935, dob shown as c1891?

However the sailing of 31 Jan 1930 was on the same boat as Arthur and there she's shown as 1894

Your Florence Weston could also have been a married woman i.e. husband's surname Weston

Indeed, just to make things more difficult : so now I'm looking for a Florence Jane Anything!

Well, it's not quite that bad! I now need a Florence Jane Anything who married a Something Weston ... Maybe!

What about the Florence who travelled in 1935, dob shown as c1891?

Also possible ...

You can't really have the GRO altered but if you confirm the error you could always add an alternative name at Ancestry and a postem at FreeBMD so anyone puzzling over the couple in future might find it :-)

I think it's a fairly readily understood misreading if the writing was not the clearest

S, h, er (for u), r, e, t, z (for y)

it is not hard to imagine 'u' being read as 'er' and especially 'y' being read as a longhand 'z'

keeping in mind that the marriage certificate was written in longhand.

What about the Florence who travelled in 1935, dob shown as c1891?


A Florence J Weston married in Croydon in 1924 to Cole.
There is a birth in Croydon later in the 1920s.
Florence Jane Cole born March 1893 died in 1983 in Croydon.


Your Florence Weston could also have been a married woman i.e. husband's surname Weston ..........

No, I'm not disregarding it, JoonieCloonie, I'm investigating other options. You said yourself that you thought the evidence ruled this Florence out as being the Florence I'm looking for.

I am curious as to how the Sherretz record came to be misconstrued, assuming it was, and if necessary I could try and get the miscontruction corrected.

I made some notes from things my Mother told me at various times. One was that he lived with a woman called Jane in the Argentine (who allegedly created a stink about something or other and it was this that got into the papers apparently) , the other that he took Florence Weston (no middle name given, but from Woking or Wokingham) to the Argentine with him as his wife. I had these down as two separate "facts" but I'm now wondering whether they are one and the same person, eg Florence Jane Weston.

Unfortunately, none of the shipping records we have turned up as yet have a middle initial for Florence, although the birth year given (calculated?) was 1894.

There was such a person born 1893 in Croydon, so I'm now looking for her in census records (already found 1901 & 1911). I've not yet found her in electoral rolls which I would have thought likely after 1920 ish. Or have I got that wrong? Anyway she should turn up somewhere between say 1920 and 1940, shouldn't she?

KeithG are you completely disregarding my conclusion that 'Sherretz' in the marriage index is almost certainly a misreading of 'Shurety' on the marriage certificate or local register office entry?

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If you ask the Register Office for the Weston-Surety marriage I think they will find it. They can't find a Weston-Sherretz marriage because there never was one.

I'm not sure what led you to that particular Florence Weston in the first place but I don't think there is much question about her, she married Mr Shurety and had children in England and died in England.

Unless you could locate family of hers you would not know whether sometime in between she ran off to Argentina with your father :-)

Thanks Detective, maybe there's a kind soul who could look for me on Ancestry?

My father was born 1895 near London, Hoxton on his birth certificate.

WW1 army records for Arthur William Parr 1895 would be on Ancestry, if they survived WW2 bombing. Unfortunately over 70% were.

There might be medal cards available. You could search via the NA site and someone with an Ancestry sub could look up the results for you. Was he the one born in Argentina? sorry - lost track of where you are at the moment!

Although I don't have any WW2 RAF records to compare with, my father-in-law did his 1948 NI with them which we ordered with his consent. To be honest, if he wasn't around to explain them, we'd have found them very difficult to interpret. It did make him 'open up' about his experiences which was an eye-opener for OH.

I just received a quote from the National Archive to digitise the RAF records - it was for £20!

I think the system of estimates they use leaves a lot to be desired, essentially you have to pay to find out what's there with no idea whether it's going to be of value or not. Grump!

My father was in the Army prior to joining the RAF in WWI, and then again in WWII. What's the best way to find his records in the army please?

On the Weston - Sherretz marriage, I've been in contact with both the Berkshire Records office and the Wokingham Register Office, both very helpful but they cannot find the record. In the case of the Register Office they charge £18 for a search as I was not able to say in which of the 30 parishes the marriage was supposed to have taken place.

I can't help feeling that Mr Sherretz is a chimera, I think it's back to the drawing board.

You're right, how odd! When I visited NA earlier today the site said the documents had not been digitised and please ask for a quotation. I've just followed your link and downloaded the files. Magic!

At first glance they are - as you say - not terribly informative but at least I now have a copy of record.

Thanks a lot annielaurie.

You don't need to order that RAF record - you can download it for £3.36

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D8213500

These records aren't very informative, usually, though!

Thanks Dee, done, we'll see what the estimate looks like.

If you go onto their website, on the top right hand side there is a search bar containing the words, search our website. There is a small arrow on there, drop the arrow down to "search our records", click on that and then just put the name into the search bar.

It's the second one down you want, then go to the green order a copy button and click onto that. This will guide you through their process.

I've never done this before, so I had a quick look at it seems pretty easy. Good luck.

Dee :-)

Brilliant, thank you BMD

ermmm.... not wishing to appear foolish, but exactly what record should I be asking for? Is it simply "the record of AWP "?

No I'm wrong!!!! The record IS held at The National Archives. They state this,

"Ordering and viewing options
This record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded.
Request a quotation for a copy to be digitised or printed and sent to you."

So that's the way forward and not through Cranwell as I first thought :-S

This is from;

raf.mod.uk


RAF

Records of Service of RAF personnel who joined after 1 April 1918 are split. Some remain in the TNA. Those with Service Numbers in the range 1-329000 who continued to serve after the end of the War and those with Service numbers higher that 329000 are retained by the RAF.

To apply for an RAF Record of Service which is not in the public domain contact:

ACOS Manning (RAF Disclosures)
Trenchard Hall
RAF Cranwell
Lincolnshire
NG34 8HB


So I think you'll need to us the above address to gain anymore info. :-)

Think you'll have to apply at Cranwell for the records. I'll find the address for you :-D

Thank you for searching these. I knew my parents went to BA but I had no record of their return sailing, this is great!

Where are you suggesting I might find the RAF records? I'm currently (slowly) ploughing through the Gazette entries to see what I can find.

Your parents return journey in 1945,

All UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Results
UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Mr Mary Hilda Farr
Name: Mr Mary Hilda Farr
Birth Date: abt 1912
Age: 33
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1945
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
Ship Name: Rippingham Grange
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Rippingham Grange' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Houlder Brothers and Company Ltd
Official Number: 169564

Name: Mr William Arthur Farr
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 50
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1945
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Buenos Aires
[Montevideo]
Ship Name: Rippingham Grange
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Rippingham Grange' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Houlder Brothers and Company Ltd
Official Number: 169564

So the RAF record should tell you these,

Full name, rank and occupation, units served with dates, career, next-of-kin, date of enlistment and discharge.

Morning Keith,

I'm not sure if it will state much more on the record that I found at The a National archives, but it maybe worth looking into? I did find his WW1 medal roll card as below, you may have this, but just incase you don't I'll send it to you.

All British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 Results
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Arthur William Parr
Name: Arthur William Parr
Regiment or Corps: Middlesex Regiment Regiment
Regimental Number: G/4556