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Hi

Just an update,

Husband bumped into his Uncle George on the Bus on Saturday only live 15 mins away from us. Its a small world he has not seen him in years. They have lots to share with us.

Thanks for all the help.

Will keep you posted.

Candis

Many thanks

Regards
Candis

Something to work on!!

1881 England Census
about George Harding
Name: George Harding
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Holdenhurst
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Lyton Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Fishmonger

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Harding 26
James Rogers 23 ........... )boarders - fishermen. all b Christchurch
Joseph Rogers 21 )



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1194; Folio: 68; Page: 2; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341293.

Source Information:

Dea x

Will speak soon Candis,

Dea x

Any information as and when you have chance theres no rush.

Any information is very much appreicated and gives me plenty to be working on.

I am thankful there is people like you that are willing to help.

I dont want to stop anyone from getting on with other things.


Candis

Maureen - you wouldn't 'screw-up' - We NEED your input please!

I have to go off soon but will be on again tomorrow !!!

Dea x

LOL! Dea-not touching it because I'm pretty sure I'd "screw it up" somehow.
I'm not good at military research.

Best,
Maureen

Many thanks for that both.

I will indeed being ordering the marriage cert for Plant/Rogers and Harding/ Burrup in a couple of weeks.

Candis

Mauren -totally respect your wishes as to 'not touching that one' sorry!

However, is there a reason why this has perhaps'touched a nerve with you' ?

pm me if you wish!

Dea x

1891 Ancestry:
Name: Samuel Plant
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Cannock
Ecclesiastical parish: Stafford St Luke
Town: West Chadsmoor
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cannock
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Plant 48 Occ: Chimney Sweep
Agnes Plant 55
Elizabeth Plant 28 (actually she's married and her last name looks like GAVIN?)
Martha Plant 16
William Plant 14
Samuel Plant 8
Enock (sic)Plant 6
Fredrick Plant 12??

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2219; Folio 110; Page 3

The 1881 for the PLANTs(on Family Search or Ancestry is a little easier):
Thomas PLANT Head M Male 39 Bradwood, Stafford, England Sweep (Chimney)
Agnes PLANT Wife M Female 38 Worth, Northumberland, England
Annie PLANT Daur U Female 17 Wheat Acre, Norfolk, England
George PLANT Son Male 14 Wheat Acre, Norfolk, England Scholar
Thomas PLANT Son Male 12 Wellington, Shropshire, England Scholar
Agnes PLANT Daur Female 10 Wellington, Shropshire, England Scholar
Martha PLANT Daur Female 6 Ironbridge Scholar
Wm. PLANT Son Male 3 Ironbridge Scholar
Fredk. PLANT Son Male 1 Cheadle, Stafford, England
Joshua NOAKES Boarder M Male 42 Rugeley, Stafford, England Pedler
Eliza NOAKES Boarder M Female 33 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Fredk. NOAKES Boarder Male 6 Newcastle, Stafford, England Scholar

Source Information:
Dwelling 6 Froghall
Census Place Newcastle Under Lyme, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341647
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2699 / 84
Page Number 14

And in 1901-it looks to me as though Samuel PLANT is a private in some Regimental Depot in Whittington. Not touching that one-sorry.


Maureen

My hunting so far:
1891 FMP
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2258 Folio: 104 Page: 54

Reg. District: Walsall Sub District: Aldridge
Parish: Walsall Foreign Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: St Johns City/Municipal Borough: Walsall
Address: Hollinders Lane, Walsall Foreign, Walsall Wood, Walsall
County: Staffordshire

ROGERS, Samuel Head Married M 37 1854 Coal Miner
Rushall
Staffordshire
ROGERS, Jane Wife Married F 34 1857
Walsall
Staffordshire
ROGERS, Mary Daughter F 8 1883
Walsall Wood
Staffordshire
ROGERS, Leander Daughter F 6 1885
Walsall Wood
Staffordshire
ROGERS, Samuel Son M 4 1887
Walsall Wood
Staffordshire

1901 Ancestry
(I found this one interesting because of the occupation of her employer. I swear it says he's a stained glass artist.)
Name: Leander Rogers
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Servant
Where born: Walsall Wood, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:25 Westbourne? Road
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Aldridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 179
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Jones 32
Ada M Jones 32
Edna J Jones 1
Leander Rogers 18
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2706; Folio: 20; Page: 31.

And surprise-Leander's father,Samuel with his parents (and grandfather?):
1871 Ancestry
Name: Samuel Rogus (sic)
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Leander
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldridge, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Norton Canes
Ecclesiastical parish: Ogley Hay
Town: Norton Canes
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Penkridge
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Rogus 46 Occ:Miner
Leander Rogus 43
Samuel Rogus 19
Emma Rogus 12
George Rogus 10
Ann Rogus 8
Samuel Rogus 66
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2926; Folio: 50; Page: 16

Samuel PLANT (to follow) and his family "seem" easy enough,but I'd get the PLANT/ROGERS marriage cert to make sure.

Maureen

Hi Candis,

I am working on George - I have a birth and am trying to follow him through the census but no proof yet.

The birth is:

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
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Harding George John Dorchester 5a 329

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I won't put the census up yet as there are a few possibilities and I need to eliminate some of them first.

I have a feeling his first wife was Emily Louisa but not yet sure.

Dea x

Hi Maureen

Thanks for that.

Looks like I have managed to find a marriage on free bmd for George Harding and a Alice Burrup

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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Harding George Willis Barnet 3a 593
Burrup Alice Barnet 3a 593

I cannot seem to find a birth for either Alice or George using free bmd.

Candis

Hi Candis,
Thumbs up for getting the marriage cert. Well done!

At the moment I'll focus on the PLANTs.
Let's do the probable date,place and that unusual name-"Leander" a good try on FreeBMD.

Marriages Mar 1905
Plant Samuel Cannock 6b 540
Rogers Lender Cannock 6b 540

Still using FreeBMD:
a birth for:
Births Jun 1884
Rogers Leanda Walsall 6b 793


Best,
Maureen

Following from the 1911 census

Harding Gerorge Head Married M 56 1855 Green Grocery Barrow Dorchester
Harding Alice Wife F 30 1881 London
Married 10 years
Harding Louisa Daugher Single F 24 1887 Kitchen Maid on Boaring House Bournemouth
Harding Frederick Son M 8 1903 Bournemouth
Harding Queenie Daughter F 7 1904 Bournemouth
Harding Violet Daugher F 2 1909 Bournemouth
Smith Margaret Vistior Married F 25 1886 Liverpool
Number of children born alive 6, children still living 5, children who have died 1

Plant Samuel Head Married M 28 1883 Coal Miner Hewer Newcastle Staffs
Plant Leander Wife Married 6 years F 28 1883 Walsall Wood staffs
Pant Agnes Jane Daughter F 5 1906 Cannock Staffs
Plant Lily May Daughter F 3 1908 Cannock Staffs
Plant Jane Elizabeth Daughter F 1 1910 Cannock Staffs

Can anyone find these families on the 1901 census or eariler,

Candis

Thank you very much both.

The other other witness I now have manage to figure it out is E J Lear/Leak.

Looks like George had possibly been previously marrried.

Candis

Jonesey's right on the money again!

RG14PN16938 RG78PN1047 RD368 SD2 ED5 SN96

Reg. District: Cannock Sub District: Cannock
Parish: Cannock Enum. District: 5
Address: Old Fallow Cannock
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
PLANT, Samuel Head Married M 28 1883 Coal Miner Hewer Newsastle Staffs
PLANT, Leander Wife Married
6 years F 28 1883 Walsall Wood Staffs
PLANT, Agnes Jane Daughter F 5 1906 Cannock Staffs
PLANT, Lily May Daughter F 3 1908 Cannock Staffs
PLANT, Jane Elizabeth Daughter F 1 1910 Cannock Staffs


Maureen

1911 census transcription details for: 13 Stewart Road East Bournemouth
RG14PN5862 RG78PN267 RD95 SD2 ED31 SN61

Reg. District: Christchurch Sub District: Bournemouth
Parish: Bournemouth Enum. District: 31
Address: 13 Stewart Road East Bournemouth
County: Hampshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
HARDING, George Head Married M 56 1855 Green Grocery Barrow Dorchester
HARDING, Alice Wife F 30 1881 London
HARDING, Louisa Daughter Single F 24 1887 Kitchen Maid On Boarding House Bournemouth
HARDING, Frederick Son M 8 1903 Bournemouth
HARDING, Queenie Daughter M 7 1904 Bournemouth
HARDING, Harold Son M 4 1907 Bournemouth
HARDING, Violet Daughter F 2 1909 Bournemouth
SMITH, Margaret Visitor Married F 25 1886 Liverpool


Maureen

Witnesses are F M Harding and something Lear

Thanks for that Jonesey,

Husband did say that there was a staffordshire connection somewhere.

Candis