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I'm trying to find out more about a James Hughes and Sophia who had a son James Reginald Hughes was born c. 1849 in "England" (as recorded on various Scottish census records). James Hughes junior moved to Edinburgh, but my understanding was that the family originally came from south Wales. On both the marriage and death certificates of James Hughes junior his father's profession is recorded as "Captain Royal Navy". I have doubts about the truth of this though. I haven't had any luck tracking down Sophia and James at all...any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Andrew

Sorry - missed out Sophia's surname - it was listed as Barry and Barrie on her son's marriage and death certificates. Suspect Barry may be correct and Barrie a Scottishification

Hi Andrew,

there is this birth in lancashire;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Hughes James Reginald W Derby 20 1042



Dee x

Dee - thanks for the suggestion. I ordered up that birth certificate a while back - the father is listed as James Hughes but the mother is listed as Margaret Hughes (nee Hughes). Occupation of father listed as Master Builder.

So birth date, father's name and child's name seem to match as well as "England"/proximity to Wales/maritime connections but not mother's name or father's occupation.

Would seem odd for mother's name to be wrong??

Sorry should have mentioned this possible lead - I had discounted it but haven't found anything more likely...

Thanks again,
Andrew

1881

James HUGHES Head M Male 32 Llanboidy, Carmarthen, Wales Lead Miner
Sophia HUGHES Wife M Female 28 Llanfyrnach, Pembroke, Wales
Hannah HUGHES Daur Female 3 Llanfyrnach, Pembroke, Wales
Ellen HUGHES Daur Female 3 m Llanfyrnach, Pembroke, Wales


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Source Information:
Dwelling Tynewydd
Census Place Llanfyrnach, Pembroke, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342308
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5432 / 52
Page Number 3

Thanks Ann,

Don't think that can be my James and Sophia though. James junior was born +/- 1850. I suppose that James senior and Sophia would have been born before 1835 and would probably be at least in their 50s by the 1881 census.

Thanks,
Andrew

There's this one, but Sophia is formerly a Weaver's wife (now widow)

1871 Wales Census
about James Hughes
Name: James Hughes
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanwinio, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanwinio
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Carmarthen
Sub-registration district: Conwil
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Sophia Hughes 59
James Hughes 21
Martha Hughes 18
Anna Davies 5
Anna Davies 52
David Griffiths 14
David Watters 13

There's a few with mothers called Sophia, but nobody with an RN connection. Also looked for marriages but none to a Barry or Barrie. She could have been previously married though.

Thanks Meg.

I will check that lead out - don't see any reason why it couldn't be. The first I know of James Reginald for sure is that he was married in Edinburgh in 1884 aged 35. By this time both parents are noted as deceased. James junior's job is Stationer Master. I haven't found him in Scotland before then.

I have a childhood memory of a great aunt mentioning someone coming from Wales to Scotland on some sort of coal boat.

Appreciate the help...

Regards,
Andrew

Doesn't look like the last suggestion is correct - in 1851 the father of that family is listed as Stephen.

Hi Andrew,

could you copy and paste the 1891 census for James and his wife... if you're not sure how to do this could you just tell us who he married and when she was born please?

Sometimes it's actually easier to work from seeing something.


Dee x

Dee,

No sure how to copy and past only have image file.

In 1891 the follwoing are resident of Lothian Street, Parish of St Cuthberts, Edinburgh:
James Hughes aged 42
Barbara (nee Pearson) Hughes aged 34
James R(eginald) Hughes aged 6
William L(amond) Hughes aged 5

James senor born England, Barbara born Milnathort, Kinross Scotland, children both born Edinburgh

James employed as Warehouse Porter.


Thanks,
Andrew

HI could you post the full details as recorded on the marriage cert of James and Barbara including names of witnesses

1884 HUGHES JAMES PEARSON BARBARA ST ANDREW (EDINBURGH) EDINBURGH/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0074

Husbands address looks like No1 Royal Park (Illegible writing), Edinburgh.

Tracey x

Both censuses his birth place is recorded as England rather than Wales.


1891 Scotland Census
Name: James Hughes
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Barbara
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 685/4
Registration district: St Giles
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Giles
County: Midlothian
Address: 35 Lothian Street
Occupation: Warehouse Porter

Household Members:
Name Age
James Hughes 43
Barbara Hughes 34
James R Hughes 6
William L Hughes 5



1901 Scotland Census
Name: James Hughes
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St James
County: Midlothian
Address: 4 Spey Street
Occupation: Tram Con Conductor

Household Members:
Name Age
James Hughes 50
Catherine Hughes 56
James R Hughes 16
William L Hughes 15
Catherine L Hughes 5
Henry G Hughes 2
John E Hughes 8 mo

in 1901 looks like he is now married to Catherine
James Hughes
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St James
County: Midlothian
Address: 4 Spey Street
Occupation: Tram Con Conductor
ED: 70
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1901_374
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hughes 50
Catherine Hughes 56
James R Hughes 16
William L Hughes 15
Catherine L Hughes 5
Henry G Hughes 2
John E Hughes 8 mo

Are these people connected to you?

1881 Scotland Census
about Margaret Hope
Name: Margaret Hope
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitehaugh, Peebles
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: St George
County: Midlothian
Address: 1 Royal Park Ter
Occupation: Shope Mall Wares
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 49
Line: 1
Roll: cssct1881_279
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Hope 59
Christian Geddes 83

These are the people at No1 Royal Park Terrace in 1881 (3 years before the marriage)


Tracey x

????

bit old maybe

Surname: Hughes, First Names : William James
Birth Date : 15 Aug 1783

Date promoted :
Commander: 25/09/1806

Rank & Seniority on Retired Lists as:
Captain: 10/09/40

Awards and Qualifications: : ; ;
Date awarded Pension for Wounds : 02/12/1815 ;

Notes:
Retired Capt OIC 10 Aug 1840

It could obviously just be thats what he told his children and they simply believed it?

T x

ignore the one about William James Hughes Capt

he was born in Nova Scotia and married Elizabeht Clay