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Hi

I am at a point where I would greatly appreciate some help.

I know that my husbands grandfather was born Frederick Stanley VINCENT in Hayle Cornwall in 1899. I know his Mums first name was Janie and she had a sister Mary whose surname on the 1901 census was Hoskin.

I have come to a fullstop as I have been unable to go back any further as I am not sure what Janie's surname was at the time of Fredericks birth, and if she was married at the time.

I believe Janie's mum was called Susan, but again this is just speculation.

Please try and help me.
Thanks in advance.
Michele

1901 just for info

Name: Frederick Vincent
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Hayle, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Kenwyn
Ecclesiastical parish: Kenwyn St John
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Truro
Sub registration district: Kenwyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 105
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hockin 30 Head, born Brazil, widow
Frederick Vincent 2
Janie Vincent 25 Wendron, Cornwall, single
James A Wasley 13 stepbrother
William Wasley 17 Brazil, step brother



Have you managed to find a birth registered?

Birth record

Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
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Vincent Frederick Stanley Redruth 5c 209


Andy

Hi

Yes that is the information I found. Mary was actually a HOSKIN not Hockin as is suggested on the entry.

I am assuming that no father was named on Frederick's birth certificate. I still am unable to find out what Janies parents were called.

Thanks for responding so quick.

1891 have you looked at this one

Name: Mary Hoskin
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Morrs Velhs, Brazil

Civil Parish: Kea
Ecclesiastical parish: Chacewater
Town: Chacewater
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Truro
Sub registration district: Kea
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet A Fowler 17
Jane Hoskin 16
Mary Hoskin 21
James Arthur Wasley 4
Joel Wasley 53
Susan Wasley 46
Willie Wasley 7

1891 England Census
about Jane Hoskin
Name: Jane Hoskin
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Wendron, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Kea
Ecclesiastical parish: Chacewater
Town: Chacewater
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Truro
Sub registration district: Kea
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet A Fowler 17
Jane Hoskin 16
Mary Hoskin 21
James Arthur Wasley 4
Joel Wasley 53
Susan Wasley 46
Willie Wasley 7

This looks like the family on the 1891 and Jane is listed as Step daughter to this head of house whose wife was Susan

1891 England Census
about Joel Wasley
Name: Joel Wasley
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Kea, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Kea
Ecclesiastical parish: Chacewater
Town: Chacewater
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Truro
Sub registration district: Kea
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet A Fowler 17
Jane Hoskin 16
Mary Hoskin 21
James Arthur Wasley 4
Joel Wasley 53
Susan Wasley 46
Willie Wasley 7

Yes I have the information from the 1891 census. My late father in law used to talk about having cousins named Wasley, so I am sure this information is correct.

I know that a lot of people in Cornwall emigrated to mining areas in the mid to late 1800's, as you can see Janie's sister was born in Brazil. the daughter of a miner, but I have no information to go on as to his name.

Judging by the census i would say Jane-Janie's surname was Hoskins from birth.There is a possible birth record for 1875

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Jane Hoskin
Name: Jane Hoskin
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Truro
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 155 (click to see others on page)

Do you know if Mary married?if she did be worth getting her marriage cert.

I was told that Janie changed Frederick's surname to Hoskin, as he was brought up in her sister Mary Hoskin's home who was a widow, so I assumed Hoskin was her married surname. When Frederick later married he gave his children the surname Vincent Hoskin, which was later changed by deed poll to just Hoskin.

I know that Susan was born in Shropshire, but have no record in any census of them.

Thanks for all your work on this.
Michele

"I have come to a fullstop as I have been unable to go back any further as I am not sure what Janie's surname was at the time of Fredericks birth, and if she was married at the time."


The info re her surname and marital status will be on Fredericks birth cert (both surnames should be the same, child is registered under the surname of the mother at time of birth).


"I am assuming that no father was named on Frederick's birth certificate"

Again you will only know if you order the certificate.


Andy posted the likely birth ref earlier in the thread, without the details from the birth certificate it is going to be difficult to trace the family correctly,

Seeing as it is a direct line member of the family then the certificate is even more important, without it anything else predating Frederick is largely guesswork.

Glen

How would I get a birth certificate for Frederick?

The 1875 birth isn't your Jane because that one died and Wendron comes under Helston:

Births Mar 1875
Hoskin Jane Truro 5c 155


Deaths Mar 1875
HOSKIN Jane 0 Truro 5c 138

Rose

On the 1891 census it shows that Susan was born in Shropshire. I will look at this though just incase.
Thanks

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joel WASLEY Head M Male 44 Kea, Cornwall, England Farmer
Susan WASLEY Wife M Female 38 Shropshire, England Farmers Wife
Mary WASLEY Daughr U Female 11 (B S), Brazil
Susan J. WASLEY Daughr Female 7 Wendron, Cornwall, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Penstraze
Census Place Kea, Cornwall, England
Family History Library Film 1341555
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2314 / 95
Page Number 16

Rose

Michelle

The details Andy posted are the reference numbers (GRO ref) for ordering the certificate, using those numbers means you only pay £7.

If you go to

www.gro.gov.uk

you can order the certificate online.

You have to register with the site (for security reasons).

When you get to the screen where it asks if the GRO ref is known click the "yes" option then enter the details Andrew posted.

You need to enter them exactly as Andrew has posted them in the apprpriate boxes;


Year (1899)
Qtr (In this case March)
Surname
Forename(s)
District (Redruth in this case)
Volume (5c)
Page (209)


If you try to order the certificate without the number it would cost more as the GRO staff would have to search for the certificate.

When you receive the certificate it should answer most (if not all) the queries you have and give you known set of facts to work with later.

Glen

Found her birth:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Susan Jane Vincent
Name: Susan Jane Vincent
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Helston
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 201

Rose

Susan's 2nd? marriage:

Marriages Dec 1872
HOSKIN Susan Helston 5c 321
Vincent Henry Helston 5c 321

Rose

Hi Rose

What year was this information taken from?
Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joel WASLEY Head M Male 44 Kea, Cornwall, England Farmer
Susan WASLEY Wife M Female 38 Shropshire, England Farmers Wife
Mary WASLEY Daughr U Female 11 (B S), Brazil
Susan J. WASLEY Daughr Female 7 Wendron, Cornwall, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Penstraze
Census Place Kea, Cornwall, England
Family History Library Film 1341555
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2314 / 95
Page Number 16

Thanks

RG11 is 1881 census

Michele,

That's the 1881 and free on Familysearch.org

It's key because it gives her real name and more accurate year of birth.

Rose