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Hi LfW,

You are an absolute star.

That has to be the same family. There are two children shown in 1861 that are not on the 1871 census but they may have died and in 1871 it's Susannah but that must be Susan in 1861.

I now feel I may be getting somewhere.

Thank you so much for your help. I will keep you updated.

Chris

Emma is still alive:

1871 census transcription details for: Rectory House, Bedworth
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3173 Folio: 144 Page: 15

Reg. District: Foleshill Sub District: Foleshill
Enum. District: 23 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Bedworth City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Rectory House, Bedworth
County: Warwickshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born

JACQUES, Emma Servant F 15 1856 Leicestershire

And is this Sarah and Jane working for the same household:

1871 census transcription details for: Haley Green Lily Hill, Warfield
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 1295 Folio: 15 Page: 21

Reg. District: Easthampstead Sub District: Bracknell
Enum. District: 8 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Warfield City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Haley Green Lily Hill, Warfield
County: Berkshire

Looks like a full house, all still alive and kicking :-) Here's Charles:

1871 census transcription details for: Hollis Lane, Chesterfield
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3609 Folio: 85 Page: 15

Reg. District: Chesterfield Sub District: Chesterfield
Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Chesterfield City/Municipal Borough: Chesterfield
Address: Hollis Lane, Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire

I received my Ancestry DNA results today.

I received a Shared Ancestry Hint notification with someone, our common ancestors were the parents of Elizabeth Jacques who I had thought could possibly have been George Alfred Elders mother. I've still not found a birth record for George but I now feel the mystery has been solved.

I'm now hoping I will eventually get to the bottom of who George's father was.

I've not looked into this before- it's been a while since your post, but I take it you know have the second marriage of your Grandfather:

First name(s) MIRIAM B
Last name MARTIN
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1949
spouse: George A Elder
Spouse's last name Elder
District Cleethorpes
County Lincolnshire
Volume 3B Page 524
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1939:

Elder Household (2 People) 9 Stanley Street , Derby C.B., Derbyshire, England

Geo Alfred Elder 22 Nov 1884 Male House Decorator Married
Miriam B (Mildred) Elder (Martin) 18 Sep 1909 Female Home Keeper Single 90 2

Derby Daily Telegraph - Tuesday 11 January 1938

Re Mrs Harriett Elder Deceased
Pursuant to the Trustee Act 1925
Notice is hearby given that all persons having claims against the estate of Harriett Elder, late of 9 Stanley Street in the County Borough of Derby wife of George Alfred Elder (who died on the 3rd day of July 1937 and to whose Estate Letters of Administration were granted tot he said George Alfred Elder and Edith Fentem on the 7th day of August 1937 by the Principal Registry of the Probate Division of the High Court of Justice) are hereby....
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No Idea if connected:-
Baptism??
First name(s) George Alfred
Last name Elder
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1881
Baptism date 17 Apr 1881
Residence Coventry, Warwick, England
Place Coventry
County Warwickshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Alfred
Father's last name Elder
Mother's first name(s) Martha

Thank you for your replies AustinQ yes I have the marriage certificate, gives his father as Samuel Elder a gardener.

My Avatar is the Edith Elder in the newspaper article.

I hadn't come across the baptism but I think I have the birth certificate which turned out to be wrong.

Chris

SEARCH IS OVER

My uncle agreed to doing a DNA test to try and help prove who George Alfred Elder's father was. Just over two weeks after getting his results we have now confirmed that it was Samuel Elder who was a gardener. Lost for Words had found census records and death registration for the right man although there was no way to prove it before. Samuel only gave his correct year of birth on the 1921 census. I now have his baptism record and have been able to progress further back and have been in contact with cousins matched through DNA.

Than you so much for all those that helped in the search all those years ago.

Chris