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Thank you so much Potty. Sad, because I was quite hopeful for the St. Saviours marriage.

St Saviours, Surrey as was in those days, is now called Southwark Cathedral located at London Bridge and that's where my parents got married (youngest child of Emily and John Jones).

I know that John and Emily lived around that area for some time too, so it would have been such a good possibility that their marriage happened there.

I don't think that 1898 marriage is your grandmother's - there is no John Jones on the full index for that quarter who married St Saviour.

Cristine....no, I don't think that's my grandparent's wedding in Greenwich. I don't think they ever lived in that part of London.

I agree Ericthered, the census is no proof that were actually married. It's just that I can't find either of his two marriages....I was hoping that he did in fact marry.

Hi Samspade,

Gertrude Lines was my grandma Emily's sister and she lived with them for a while.

Grace Lines was my grandma's illegitimate daughter that she had before she married my grandfather, John Alfred Jones.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
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BURGESS Maria Luton 3b 813
Holdstock Emily Luton 3b 813
Lines Ernest Albert Luton 3b 813
NEWBOULD William Henry Luton 3b 813

could this be Emily's first marriage??
Not that far from St. Albans

Christine

Hello Nicki,

The reference you have for a marriage at St. Saviours could be a possibility for my grandmother Emily Lines. Where would I find it ?

As for Daisy, Lilian and Rose, I believe they were born in Wandsworth and Peckham (London).

Thank you all for trying for me.....I've searched and searched for these marriages on free bmd (may I add I am a novice at genealogy), so that is why I am looking for help from people with so much more experience than me.

The fact that Emily is recorded as being John's 'wife' in 1901 doesn't actually prove that they were married..........

Bit of a job to find them but here they are on the 1901

Name: John A Jones
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Strood, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:196 Sumner Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Daisy Jones 6
Emily Jones 26
John A Jones 40
John G Jones 3/12
Lily L Jones 4
Rose E Jones 2
Gertrude Lines 13
Grace A Lines 4


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 504; Folio: 121; Page: 7.

Name: Isabella Jones
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Lee
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margarets
Town: Blackheath
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lewisham
Sub registration district: Lee
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page

a possible in 1891 - image doesn't say whether married or single

Christine

Posting 1901.......for full family info

Name: Daisy Jones
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John A
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Daisy Jones 6
Emily Jones 26 b. St Albans.
John A Jones 40
John G Jones 3/12
Lily L Jones 4
Rose E Jones 2
Gertrude Lines 13 Visitor
Grace A Lines 4 Step/dau b. Wheathampstead, Herts

Looking at the 1901 census John and Emily have Gertrude and Grace Lines living with them.Was Emily married before?as Grace is listed as step daughter.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Churchward Walter Greenwich 1d 1543
Fleay Isabella Greenwich 1d 1543
JONES John Greenwich 1d 1543
VILE Elizabeth Greenwich 1d 1543

This may be the first marriage -
If Daisy's middle name was Isabel - it's a poss???

Christine

Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
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Jones Daisy Isabel Woolwich 1d 1301

sorry - this one for Daisy if they are in the Greenwich / Woolwich area

Christine

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
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Jones Lilian Lucy Greenwich 1d 1144

the only Lilian Lucy????
Christine

Possible - missing man though ....

Marriages Dec 1898


CRAUFORD Joseph Beckett St. Saviour 1d 368
CRAWFORD Joseph Beckett St. Saviour 1d 368
Evans Frances Elizabeth St.Saviour 1d 368
Lines Emily St.Saviour 1d 368

can't find a marriage to Emily on freebmd
maybe they didn't marry??

Christine

Hello Lindsey,

Thank you so much.

What about his second marriage, to my grandmother, Emily Lines ? Is there any hope of ever finding that ?

Kind regards

Have you attempted to find the marriage(s)?

freebmd website is the place to look.........

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

To find the name of his first wife you may need to buy one of her childrens birth certificates.

I am looking for the MARRIAGE(S) of my grandfather, John Alfred JONES, born in 1861 in Frindsbury, Strood, Kent. He was my grandfather. He was married twice, the second time, being to my grandmother.

I am looking for the marriage with his first wife, which I expect was prior to 1895, as their first daughter Daisy was born in 1895. Daisy was followed by Lilian Lucy in 1897 and then Rose E. in 1898. I would think the marriage would have been in London, where I believe he was living at the time.

I am also looking for the marriage between my grandfather and his second wife, my grandmother Emily LINES. My grandmother was born in St. Albans in 1875 and on the 1901 census, she is married to John Jones and living in London. It shows that they have the three daughters, Daisy, Lilian and Rose from his first marriage, living with them. Their first son, John, was born in 1901.

I would dearly love to find both of these marriages of John Jones, but have looked and looked....I desperately don't want to give up !

With your expertise, can anyone help me, please ?????