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Irene

Poss other child of Martha and Richard

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Richard Telford
Name: William Richard Telford
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1870
Registration district: Dorchester
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 321 (click to see others on page)

Dorset, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about William Richard Telford
Name: William Richard Telford
Baptism Date: 10 Mar 1871
Parish: Dorchester Holy Trinity
Father's Name: Richard Telford
Mother's name: Martha Telford

Listed as a Porter Richard, which he was on the 1871 census.

Irene

Interesting middle name!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Fox Horlock
Name: Henry Fox Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 90 (click to see others on page)



Possible couple of deaths?

Henry Horlock Apr-May-Jun 1838 Wareham Dorset

Henry Horlock Oct-Nov-Dec 1852 Wareham Dorset

Thats looking excellent Michelle


well done


Well you wrapped Samuel and Martha then

Thank you so much

I am off to bed now as it nearly 20 to 1 here in Spain

xxx :-D

Irene

Night :) I will see what else i can find, 11.45pm here in England!


Michelle

Yes thanks Henry ---- I will have a look to see if Elizabeth had a middle name


My Grannys sister Evelyn married in to this Fox line ( Phillip Fox and Sarah Jesty ) ---- their mother was a Parsons ( who died young in childbirth ) --- two of her Parsons sisters and one brother - also married this branch of Fox --- and another Parsons sister had a base born Fox son --- who later married a Turner ---- my Granny and Evelyn father Turner line

Actually Michelle -- think you found Evelyn --- married Charle Fox -- or it may have Been her sister Ada Jane --- anyway one of the sisters

And I am still searching for her only brother Frederick ---- although I may have found his death ¿¿¿¿

Irene

Interesting just found this:

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 about Louisa Harlock
Name: Louisa Harlock
[Louisa Fox]
Gender: Female
Father's Name: Philip Fox
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Bowring
Marriage Date: 19 Apr 1846
Marriage Place: Wool, Dorset, England

Marriage of John and Louisa

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Louisa Fox
Name: Louisa Fox
Marriage or Bann Date: 29 Dec 1836
Parish: Wool
Spouse's Name: John Horlork

And an Ann Horlock was a witness (poss mum of John) ? Louisa listed on the banns as a Widow.

Dorset, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Louisa Harlock
Name: Louisa Harlock
Marriage or Bann Date: 19 Apr 1846
Parish: Wool
Father's Name: Philip Fox
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Bowring

Irene

Looking at the possible marriage of 1846 which was April 19th of that year. I would say it's likely that John died in 1844. There is a death also in 1846 of a John Horlock but this for last quarter of the year of which Louisa married.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about John Horlock
Name: John Horlock
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1844
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 116 (click to see others on page)

Based on this record poss burial?

Dorset, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-2001 about John Harlick
Name: John Harlick
Birth Year: abt 1812
Age: 32
Burial Date: 24 Mar 1844
Parish: Wool

Irene

Solved!!! Here is Louisa (now Eliza again!!)

1851 England Census about Eliza Bowering
Name: Eliza Bowering
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Bowering
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bere Regis, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Winfrith Newburgh
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wareham
Sub-registration district: Swanage
ED, institution, or vessel: 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 1856
Folio: 595
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bowering 48
Eliza Bowering 40
Samuel Bowering 12
Sarah Bowering 8
Charles Bowering 5
Margaret Bowering 4

Look at child Samuel Bowering (Horlock) aged 12 so this is where he was on the 1851!

Child Sarah 1843 is actually John's also

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Horlock
Name: Sarah Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1843
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 116 (click to see others on page)

Irene

1861

1861 England Census about Eliza Bowring
Name: Eliza Bowring
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Gender: Female
Where born: Bere Regis, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Fordington
Ecclesiastical parish: West Fordington
Town: Dorchester
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 186
Piece: 1354
Folio: 74
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bowring 51
Eliza Bowring 49
Samuel Bowring 21
Charles Bowring 14
Mary Ann Bowring 11
Henry Bowring 9

1871
1871 England Census about Eliza Bowring
Name: Eliza Bowring
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Bowring
Gender: Female
Where born: Bere Regis
Civil parish: Fordington
Town: Dorchester
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Registration district: Dorchester
Sub-registration district: Dorchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 2011
Folio: 30
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bowring 61
Eliza Bowring 59
Mary Ann Bowring 21
Henry Bowring 19
John Bowring 9
Kate Bowring 1

Death of Eliza

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Eliza Bowering
Name: Eliza Bowering
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1878
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Dorchester
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 233 (click to see others on page)

William as widow on 1881

1881 England Census about William Bowring
Name: William Bowring
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Wool, Dorset, England
Civil parish: Wool
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England
Street Address: Wood Street
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Ag Lab
Registration district: Wareham
Sub-registration district: Wareham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2101
Folio: 52
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bowring 66
Jane Bowring 63
William Bowring 71

Robert is William's brother and Jane is Robert's wife

Well i will stop there for now!! Let me know what you think about my findings.

Michelle

Michelle

What a wonderful surprise --- and how late you worked at that -- that brilliant

thank you so much ---

If you have no other inquiries ... or a slack moment ---- would really really appreciate knowing what happened to Henry

As you have sorted all the others out --- if not don't worry

By the way I looked a few weeks ago at some trees on ANC -- some have John Horlock ( from correct parents dying in USA ) and no one but no one ( even alot of trees here ) know that Louisa Fox -- was baptised Elizabeth ( or Eliza from FS ) -- from the correct father and mother --- except me and thee

Well done Michelle

By the by -- it was Ada Jane Turner -- you found --- her husband put his birthplace against her name and vice versa on the census --

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Irene

Hi and yes was a late night for me!

I did post up there that I think Henry died and here are 2 poss deaths. However to be certain I wil take a look:

Henry Horlock Apr-May-Jun 1838 Wareham Dorset

Henry Horlock Oct-Nov-Dec 1852 Wareham Dorset

Happy to help!! and yes i remember Ada Jane Turner!! :-D

Irene

Think the 1838 record is your Henry found this burial

Dorset, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-2001 about Henry Harlock
Name: Henry Harlock
Birth Year: abt 1837
Age: 8/12
Burial Date: 15 Apr 1838
Parish: Wool

Sad only 8 months old : :-(

two births in 1837 (wonder if they are both your Henry)?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Fox Horlock
Name: Henry Fox Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 90 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Henry Horlock
Name: Henry Horlock
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1837
Registration district: Wareham
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 8
Page: 85 (click to see others on page)

Yes that has to be him ---


Many thanks Michelle


That looks like me done and dusted ----


xxxxxxxxxxxx

Your welcome Irene, always happy to help!

Michelle :-D

Ellen

Happy to help!

Ok looking forward first from the 1901 census they are in the Electoral records.

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1913
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury East

Living at 13 Nelson Street, Hoxton.

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1934
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

Gee Street EC1


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1937
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

13 Central Street EC1

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1938
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

Same address

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 about Stephen Andrew Palmer
Name: Stephen Andrew Palmer
Electoral Year: 1939
County or Borough: Islington
Parliamentary Division: Finsbury

3 Domingo Street EC1
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Stephen A Palmer
Name: Stephen A Palmer
Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1941
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1b
Page: 172

A possible death for Jane?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Jane Palmer
Name: Jane Palmer
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1965
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1169

Will look back at the census records now. Might take some time so hope you ok to wait? At first glance this looks a tricky one!

Also can you confirm if it's Stephen only you need me to find on census records? or also Jane?

Michelle

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1280455

(just adding above Michelle, for reference info. Great to see Anc. have added those Electoral Registers, very grateful to them, lol)

Chris :)

Hi Michelle,

Thank you very much for helping :-D

I am only stuck on the Palmer side. I have been searching for the Palmers for 4 years and cant seem to find them in any census record apart from 1901, baptism records and marriage record which is very frustrating!!

Thank you for helping

Ellen :-(

Thanks for that Chris! :) Wow after reading the thread looks like a really tricky one! But i am very stubborn so i will keep looking and looking! Interesting i found all the people mentioned in the previous thread and the Greenwich one stuck out to me also!

Ok back to searching and searching. One quick question Ellen, where did the Samuel name come from for Stephen?

Michelle

Hi Michelle, the name Samuel came from his youngest son's marriage certificate It stated that his father was Samuel Andrew Palmer??? But that may have been written in error????!!!

Ellen

I have been looking all evening so many possible sightings but not able to prove any. Either William isn't there or the occupation doesn't match or they cannot be found on the 1881. So i have had about 8 tabs open looking at records!

The problem we have with this family is the lack of detail from the 1901. If we had a birthplace to work from this would help hugely! Although looking at the birth records there are none that really match your Stephen(Samuel)?

I have found a family in Essex with a son Samuel around the right age with a father William and I have been looking at this. But no birth record to match him either! There are a couple of Stephens staying with relatives which i have also been looking at. It is a matter of searching every census for the 2 names we have William and Stephen (also Samuel) and following through any possibles to eliminate. This is why it takes time. Then looking for spelling errors (which census records have many)!

So back to the drawing board i go...... and don't worry I am still working on this and will tomorrow also (off work tomorrow!) :-D