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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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jax Report 19 Jun 2013 14:24


Please read my post above

If you would like help start a thread of your own....if you already have a thread about this add to it to bring it back to the top

Michelle has not returned to this thread for over a year


John Report 19 Jun 2013 13:57

Hi Michelle
Help1798 is as far back as I have been able toget with my family. John Sargeant born St. Pancres London Middlesex. in 1798 was maried to Mary Potter and had 2 children Henry 1823 and John 1827 .G.G.G.G.GRANDDAD, i would like to go back further but I am stuck can you point me in the right direction
John Sargeant.


Elaine Report 13 Jun 2013 05:22

Am just desperate now Jax! Will try anything or anyone to find these ones!
It's infuriating when you put in every permutation you can think of and no result!!


jax Report 13 Jun 2013 01:13

Elaine you have a long thread already about this

Michelle has not used this thread for over a year so may not be using GR at the moment


Elaine Report 13 Jun 2013 00:37

I have lost relatives in 1901 Census....asked several people and no-one can find them either!

Mary Ann Cooper(nee Kelly),b Shropshire.,c1871
her dau Ellen Jane.,b illigitimately in 1893.,Wigan.,Lancs
another dau ElizabethAnn Cooper,b 1900.,Wigan

They seem to have vanished off the face of the earth (and Mary Ann had another baby in Jul of 1901


Renes Report 13 Jun 2012 15:46

Hi Unknown

Was looking at Michelles thread ad saw your post ... as it was Dorset and I am interested in Dorset Records thought I would look for you -- I know Michelle and I am sure she will not mind

1861 census transcription details for: Wool, Wool

National Archive Reference
:RG number: RG09Piece: 1346Folio: 60Page: 22
Reg. District: Wareham Sub District: 3 Wareham
Parish: Wool Enum. District: 13
Address: Wool, Wool
County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex ge Birth Year Occupation , Born
STEVENS, John Head Married M 55 1806 Agricultural Labourer Wool, Dorset
STEVENS, Fanny Wife Married F 45 1816 East Lulworth, Dorset
STEVENS, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Scholar
Wool, Dorset
STEVENS, James Son M 12 1849 Scholar
Wool, Dorset
STEVENS, George Son Unmarried M 10 1851 Scholar
Wool, Dorset

STEVENS, Auther Son Unmarried M 8 1853 Scholar
Wool, Dorset ************** this is Austin mis transcribed

STEVENS, Fredrick Son M 6 1855 Scholar
Wool, Dorset
STEVENS, Edwin Son M 1 1860
Wool, Dorset

This shows his parents names ......

Also I am not sure of his wifes name --- I could only find this ... Did he marry twice ?

Mary Elizabeth Rolls Apr-May-Jun 1888 Wareham Dorset
Austin Stevens Apr-May-Jun 1888 Wareham Dorset

He seems to have had more children

1901 census transcription details for: Wool (The Quarr), Wool
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13Piece: 1988Folio: 81Page: 1 Reg. District: Wareham Sub District: Wareham Parish: WoolEnum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: Wool
Address: Wool (The Quarr), Wool County: Dorsetshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occ Where Born
STEVENS, Austin Head Married M 49 1852 General Agricultural Labourer Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, Mary Wife Married F 40 1861
W Lulworth, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, Alice Daughter F 11 1890
Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, Frederick Son M 10 1891
Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, William Son M 8 1893
Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, Emily Daughter F 6 1895
Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, Albert Son M 5 1896
Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, Victoria Daughter F 3 1898
Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, Lucy Daughter F 1 1900
Wool, Dorsetshire
STEVENS, John H Son M 0 (UNDER 1 MOS) 1901
Wool, Dorsetshire
ROLLS, Eliza J Visitor Single F 32 1869 Sick Nurse
W Lulworth, Dorsetshire


Unknown Report 10 Jun 2012 12:20

Hi I am looking for the Sevens family from Dorset, I am trying to find out more about Austin Stevens born 1852 in Wareham Dorset he died in 1902 was married in 1888 to Alice Mary Rolls, they had 6 children. They seamed to live most of their lives in Wool Dorset. He was my husbonds grandfather but cannot find anyone in the family who knows anything about him.

If you can help I would be very grateful Hazel


Debra Report 11 Feb 2012 20:53

May be nothing but have included just in case

Name: James Barry
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1835
Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1835
Baptism Place: Roman Catholic, Inchigeelagh Parish, Cork, Ireland
Father's Name: James Barry
Mother's Name: Ellen Sheehan
FHL Film Number: 823808


Debra Report 11 Feb 2012 20:44

Hi Michelle

Came across this in my search

Scotland 1861 census
Name: James Barry
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Crookhaven, Cork
Registration number: 564/3
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Vessels
County: Renfrewshire
Occupation: Leading Seaman
ED: Hogue
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1861_150


Debra Report 11 Feb 2012 18:30

Hi Michelle

You have been busy - will have a look at these. Margaret M (Maude?) could be interesting.

Did see the Margaret 4mths myself but at the moment know of no links to Anderson.

Re Birth place for Margaret - all I can assume is that her pregnant mother and father left Ireland c 1860 and she was born either on the sea crossing or very soon after landing in Scotland.



Debbie Report 11 Feb 2012 16:14

Hi Michelle,

Thank you again. At least now I can stop fretting about not finding them.




***Michelle*** Report 11 Feb 2012 11:34


Is this the 1871 one?

1861 Scotland Census about Margaret Graham
Name: Margaret Graham
Age: 4 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Nursing
Gender: Female
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 559/1
Registration district: Abbey Burgh
Civil parish: Abbey Burgh
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 27 Ferguslie
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1861_74
Household Members:
Name Age
James Anderson 23
Euphemia Anderson 24
John Anderson 3
Margaret Graham 4 Mo

Listed as relationship nursing (nurse child i presume)


***Michelle*** Report 11 Feb 2012 11:22


Same girl as 1881?

1871 Scotland Census about Mararet M Graham
Name: Mararet M Graham
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 559/1
Registration district: Abbey Burgh
Civil parish: Abbey Burgh
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 34 Thread Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 76
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_95
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Mustrie 61
Janet Multrie 24
Mararet M Graham 10


***Michelle*** Report 11 Feb 2012 11:20


Another poss for Margaret

1881 Scotland Census about Maggie Graham
Name: Maggie Graham
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 564/3
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 2 Fox St
Occupation: Domestic Servt
ED: 35
Household schedule number: 46
Line: 2
Roll: cssct1881_167
Household Members:
Name Age
William Clark 78
Maggie Graham 21
Jessie Graham 19
Edith Ballantyne 11


***Michelle*** Report 11 Feb 2012 10:54


Mind is carrying away with itself now! Listing below some possible leads?

Interesting quote from a site about Workhouses:

"Unmarried women who became pregnant often entered the Workhouse to have their children."

I found a William Berry on the 1891 census in Scotland (Greenlock) married.... could he be the father of Thomas?

1891 Scotland Census about William Berry
Name: William Berry
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mary Berry
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 66 Regent St
Occupation: Massons Labourer
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 129
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_179
Household Members:
Name Age
William Berry 40
Mary Berry 35
Maggie Berry 12
Mary Berry 8
Maggie Barcley 70

Wonder if this is the same William?

1881 England Census about William Berry
Name: William Berry
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Bar, Ireland
Civil parish: Barnsley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 34 Nelson St

Employment status:

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Occupation: Masons Labourer
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4603
Folio: 66
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Flatley 45
Bridget Flatley 47
James Flatley 10
Michael Flatley 4
John Flatley 36
William Berry 29
Michael Mc Nicholas 28
Nicholas Mc Nicholas 28
Helen Neary 49

In Yorkshire for the 1881

Although he is unmarried on the 1881..and there is a child on the 1891 aged 12. Looking at the 1881 I cannot see him in Scotland? Was he married after 1881? This maybe nothing? Worth a look. Had a quick look and couldn't see Mary the wife from the 1891 in 1881 either? Is she under her maiden name?

What is so hard with this one is not only do we not have a solid 100% surname for Margaret we also have 3 possible places of birth for her. Most confusing! and 2 census records to work off...Scotland and England!



***Michelle*** Report 11 Feb 2012 10:16


Was still no sign of James and Sarah. I do believe they are left off the 1891 in error. Least you now have his father.

Good luck in your research



Debbie Report 10 Feb 2012 22:11

Hi Michelle,

Thank you for your trouble. I would never have found "Robert" myself though it is obviously him. I have had a look at the 1891 on Ancestry and see there is no sign of James & Sarah around 27 William Street. If it helps, the occupation of James was given as carpenter at his marriage in 1885 although he was an electrician in 1901. I think you may be right about James & Sarah being missed from the census.




***Michelle*** Report 10 Feb 2012 21:23


If you look further up I have found Robert (Patrick?) on the 1891 living at the address you stated. James and Sarah were as you said listed on the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1835-1965 living at that address also. I have looked at either page either side of number 27 and only Thomas Mullins is there. I will keep looking but I am wondering if they were not in on the night of the census and were not followed up? There are sadly quite a few like this on the census records.



***Michelle*** Report 10 Feb 2012 20:03


Its the 1891 she is after :)

Just noticed your posts... will take a look at what you wrote re James Graham and take a look.


Debra Report 10 Feb 2012 19:42

1881 census

Name: James Williams
[James Mullins]
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 20 Earl St

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Sorter In Post Office

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 154
Folio: 77
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Williams 50
John Williams 19
James Williams 17
Margaret Williams 15
Ellen Williams 8
Bridget Williams 13

1871 census

Name: Jas Mullins
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robt Mullins
Mother's Name: Bradt Mullins
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 23a
Household schedule number: 194
Piece: 242
Folio: 19
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Robt Mullins 40
Bradt Mullins 37
Mich Mullins 18
Thos Mullins 16
Mary Mullins 14
Sarah Mullins 12
John Mullins 9
Jas Mullins 7
Margt Mullins 5
Prugt Mullins 3
Patk Mullins 1

1901 census

Name: James Mullins
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Mullins
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampstead, London, England

Civil parish: Bexhill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Bexhill
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status: View image

Registration district: Battle
Sub-registration district: Bexhill
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 76
Piece: 875
Folio: 40
Page Number: 13

Household Members: Name Age
James Mullins 37
Sarah Mullins 31
Albert Mullins 9
Thomas Mullins 8
Isabella Mullins 7
James Mullins 4
Nelly Mullins 3