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Graham Report 30 Sep 2009 09:24

Hi T

I have now established who my grandfather married:

Henry J C Smart
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Dodson
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 612

Mary A Dodson
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Smart
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 612

However, just to confuse names, I have evidence from censuses that she is Mary Dobson rather than Dodson.

Can you tell me if they had any children as I cannot seem to find any?

Many thanks



Eames Report 30 Sep 2009 12:00


This is Nellie M Gray with no birth year added

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909

Geo Gray Allen 12 Aug 1903 Male Carleton Geo H Allen Nellie M Gray (yours)
Carlean Johnson 22 Jul 1885 Male Elgin Charles Johnson Nellie M Gray
Hugh Johnson 28 Dec 1886 Male Elgin Charles H Johnson Nellie M Gray
Ruby Fay Johnson 27 Jan 1891 Female Dufferin C H Johnson Nellie M Gray

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924

Nellie M Gray abt 1869 11 Oct 1909 Francis Giles Westlake Middlesex
Nellie M Gray abt 1881 13 Sep 1900 Chas Edward Morris Rainy River District
Nellie M. Gray 1 Oct 1884 Charles H. Johnson Eden
Nellie M Gray abt 1885 21 Feb 1906 Frederick Curry Hastings

Even tried Nell* Gray & Grey and for the marriage Allen to Grey/Gray .. Nada!


Eames Report 30 Sep 2009 12:07


These are the ones the has Dobson as mother's maiden.. I know its not in Brentford, but perhaps they moved? I'm clutching straws.. Correct me if you do know they was still in Brentford area after marriage.

John W J Smart Apr May Jun 1923 Glendale Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland
Evelyn I Smart Jan Feb Mar 1925 Glendale Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland
Sydney T Smart Jul Aug Sep 1926 Glendale Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland
Barbara R Smart Oct Nov Dec 1936 Glendale Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland

Nothing in Brentford with wither Dobson & Dodson.



Graham Report 30 Sep 2009 12:12

Thanks as ever T - I wouldn't have got this far without your help!

The process of elimination is useful as the story in general points to them not having children.




Pappa Report 30 Sep 2009 12:21

Dear T,
Many thanks for looking anway, i appreciate your help.Maybe they married somewhere else,i will dig further,

Thankyou again..............Sam


Julie Report 30 Sep 2009 13:09

Hi T
Can i ask you for your help again.
Alexander Rennie married Florence M Saunders Jul-Aug-Sep 1922.

John William Saunders married a Ada Harwood Feb 1929 aged 25 and his dads name is Thomas william Saunders.

I need to find out if Florence M and John W Saunders are are related.

Sorry have not got Florance or John mothers maiden name as it does not tell you who she was in 1900

Many Thanks



Margaret Report 30 Sep 2009 14:34

Hi T
I am trying to trace my paternal grandfather's family and hope you will be able to help further. My grandfather was Matthew Rotchford born in Edinburgh, Scotland in about 1887. He married a Jane Watson in Leith 1/7/1911. I believe his father was also a Matthew Rotchford b. about 1861 and any information you can find on who his father was, his wife or any other children would be most appreciated. Also anything on my grandmother Jane Watson as I know nothing about her.

Thanking you in anticipation.


Eames Report 30 Sep 2009 18:46


Do you know where the Saunders came from? How old was Florence when she married Alexander?


Eames Report 30 Sep 2009 19:17


1891 Scotland Census

Name: Matthew Rotchford
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland, County Sligo
Registration Number: 685A/2
Registration district: St George Burgh
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 28 Bedford St
Occupation: Causeway Layer
ED: 23
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_334
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Rotchford 30
Catherine Rotchford 28 Ireland, County Sligo - Wife
Matthew Rotchford 3 Edinburgh - Son

Least this one you know where in Ireland they was born!

1901 Scotland Census

Name: Matthew Rotchford
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Matthew
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh, Edinrshire
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Paul
County: Midlothian
Address: 8 Buchanan St
Occupation: Cagemaker (apprentice)
ED: 39
Household schedule number: 18
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1901_373
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Rotchford 40 Ireland - Head
Catherine Rotchford 38 Ireland - Wife
Owen McQueenie 19 Edinburgh - Stepson
Matthew Rotchford 14
Margaret Rotchford 6 Edinburgh - Daur
Annie Orr 35 Ireland (Lodger) Head
Margaret Orr 12 England - Daur
Ellen Orr 10 England - Daur
Annie Orr 7 England - Daur
Katie Orr 5 England - Daur

Had a quick peek in ScotlandsPeople.. Ended up scratching my head



They never married til then?! (unless there's 2 Matthews marrying both female called Catherine!).

Least this one doesnt have me scratching head..



Seeing that you have date of Matthew & Jane's marriage - do you have a copy of their marriage? If so, anything mentioned of Jane's parentage? If not, you'd need to get it from ScotlandsPeople which costs 5 Credits (£6 for 30 credits).

Seeing Matthew stated as being born in Ireland .. I have checked LDS there are few born abt 1861 in Scotland!

Sorry I cant go further back on Rotchford as Ireland is out of my league!


Julie Report 30 Sep 2009 22:08

Hi T

Thank you for your reply

I think Florance was 18 when she married Alexander and the Saunders came from Woolwich area but not 100 percent sure.

Ihave Florance going to Canada in 1926 with Barbara Rennie who died in the fire.

Many Thanks



Pamela Report 30 Sep 2009 22:44

hi im new to this so if im doing it all wrong sorry! im trying to find alan james rainbow maybe known as alan wimpey now,as i know his name was different on my sister kellys birth certificate.she was born in 1981 in cambridge and i was born in 1979 in colchester essesx,i have found details of his marriage to my mother in 1978 married to an amy warringder in colchester essex england but am totally lost as to where to go from here!i hope you can help as i really want to find him.thankyou for your time.pamela rainbow.x


Eames Report 30 Sep 2009 23:22


When I looked at the passenger list for Florence Rennie.. It stated that she was born in Reading, so had a look in the 1911 Census (I've no credit but it was free to search)

This came up..

Esther Eliza 1878
Florence May 1899
Hilda Rose 1902

Living in Reading, Berkshire.. So no Thomas with them, without knowing who were her parents or even who was their father, I cannot look for them and assume its them. You'd need to get both marriage cert to see the father's names and see if they match or not (it could be cousins via their father being brothers).



Eames Report 30 Sep 2009 23:24


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Josiah William Osborn
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 18 Jul 1855
Father's Name: John Thomas Osborn
Mother's Name: Rebecca Rolfe Osborn
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Born Aug 4 1847


Margaret Report 1 Oct 2009 09:04

Hi T

Thank you so much for the information you have given me. I always thought I had a Scottish background but it appears I was wrong. I don't have a marriage certificate for Jane Watson and Matthew Rotchford, just my father's birth certificate which gave me the date of their marriage. I shall go to Scotlands People as you suggest.

As to Catherine and Matthew not marrying until 1898 I wonder if she wasn't free to marry until then as she seems to have a 19 year old son Owen from a previous relationship. Did people divorce in those days?

Thank you again for all your help. I hope you enjoy your break!

☺Carol in Dulwich☺

☺Carol in Dulwich☺ Report 5 Oct 2009 11:24

my information is very scant trying to help a friend find a Florence Langley, who married and became Florence Barker, London, that's all we know, we believe Florence was run over and killed by a tram in London in or about 1923.
Anything at all would be great.


Eames Report 7 Oct 2009 11:22

Hi all..

Back now - so I'm ready to do the lookups..!



Eames Report 7 Oct 2009 11:24


Any idea who he may have married to?


Eames Report 7 Oct 2009 11:28

☺Carol in Dulwich☺

I've found 2 marriage of Florence Langley .. One in 1906 Fulham which had a Joseph Barker in the list or 1913 Wandsworth marrying Harold Barker.

Do you know how old was she when she died? Or the names of her parents so I can see which area she may have came from..?


Eames Report 7 Oct 2009 14:39

Hi Carol..

After checking his Attestation papers, it said that his next of kin (Gertrude) lives in NB, not Frank so cant always assume that he lives there too.

Also the papers was signed in 1914 (which he stated not married) and you say he was killed in 1915 so either he got married between 1914 and 1915 or never did.

Here is Gertrude which might've been his sister that was mentioned in the Attestation Papers.

1911 Census of Canada

Name: Gertrude Liddell
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Date: Jun 1895
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Adopted Daughter
Immigration Year: 1906
Tribal: English
Province: New Brunswick
District: Carleton
District Number: 25
Sub-District: Northampton Parish, Grafton
Sub-District Number: 9
Place of Habitation: Northampton
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Clow 75
Lucy Clow 66
Harry Clow 25
Blanch Clow 24
Gertrude Liddell 15
Wm Taylor 13

Immigration year was 1906 which tallies with Frank's arrival in Canada in 1906 also.

Cannot find Frank's marriage in NB, only can spot Gertrude's marriage in Carleton. Sorry for not able to find it.


jusme Report 8 Oct 2009 13:34

Hi T,

Have sent you a pm re Joyce Wharram / Little !!