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Sounds like you have a bad case of 'Jungle Fever' Scozzie :-D


You can probably google to find out how the Mormons lived with their multitudes of wives and kids. Bet they went deaf early!!! :-D




Cx.

Good news then! :-D


Good advice about the maiden names......I've made that mistake in the past.....doh!


Not sure I want to go as wide as having 8th cousins though......I have about 1,500 on my tree....think that's all I can cope with. :-D


Cx

That's actually the best think you can do Scozzie - pm the poster. If you hadn't pm'd him, I wonder if he would have seen your message on his thread?


I know you didn't ask for help, but I was trying to help you and you certainly weren't annoying me - it's what I do on here. I'm not very adept at doing lookups but I do like helping out and, this is the way I do that.


I have been sending advice to members daily for about 4-5 years now and, according to GR, it seems I have the largest mailbox on the site and I am in the process of clearing it out.


This problem could easily be resolved if

a) GR would make the guidelines about how to find your thread clearer, and
b) if the new members would only stop and read about how the site works.


The word 'discussions' is extremely misleading as most of the old posts are people searching for relatives but who, having received no reply or have not known how to find their replies, may simply have left the site.

The 'discussions' are mostly dead in the water.


Hope that helps. Cx.

That is what we do Scozzie....look to see if anyone else has these people in their tree then we come back to the thread and inform the poster, as in:-

"Do you know there are "X" amount of people who also have Joe Blow in their tree are you in contact with them?"

As you said you had 58 people with the same name in your tree, I think it would be easly found that you had not....No mention at this time that it was not on your GR tree

So when someone replies to an old thread whether they are new or not shall we just ignore it? That would not look very good to a new person who was sitting by their PC waiting for a reply and never got one

You may not have asked for help Scozzie, but Cynthia spends a lot of time on the boards helping new people find there way back to their threads....also advising people they have posted on old threads.

If you feel you should reply on them, with the off chance of getting a reply then carry on

It's not really strange to go through the trees Sozzie, a lot of helpers do that when helping folk.

I often do it when someone is search for relatives on this site so that I can point them in the right direction.


Sounds like an extended family indeed.... :-D

Cx.

No of course not.......Scozzie.....it just seems a heck of a lot of family with the same name. You must get in quite a tizz with them all.




I've got about nine with the same name in a couple of families and that's bad enough...... :-S



I was really just wondering if you had contacted the other members on here who have your family in their trees........


Cx :-D

You have 58 Robert Beveridges in your tree??????


Looking at the R.B's listed on GR, you have about 17 with your name against them and it seems as though you may have doubled a couple of them.

There are still quite a few contacts on here who have some of your Roberts in their trees though....

:-) Cx

He may not be a member any more Scozzie. :-(

Have you tried contacting the other members who have Robert in their tree??


Cx :-D

Hi Scozzie,

It would be better for you to pm Alex as it's unlikely he is looking for replies after three years.

If he still has the same email address he will be notified.


:-D Cx.

Helens Marriage took place in Parish of Cockpen on 2 July 1858

she is noted as being 21 parents William Vickers miner dec and Jean Flockhart

groom George Forbes age 21 miner parents John Forbes miner and Beatrice Paterson

witnesses are William Alexander and Elizabeth Young


The don't make it easy to search by changing their names on every document do they?

Thanks again Jackie.

Yes Elisabeth seems like a sister. I have also found the family (Alexander/Ann Vickers) in the 1851 census and that adds another sister Helen. Looking at what I have now with your help, it seems that the story is very consisent with the exception of the Thomas Kerr Ann Sneddon/Vickers marriage on 14 Mar 1889. This shows that Ann's father was Archibald Vickers (her father is not named anywhere else) her mother was Ann Vickers m.s Sneddon rather that the other way round and that she herself was a 20 yo widow called Ann Sneddon with no mention of her ever having been called Vickers (other than the name of her father). I am tempted to assume that this document is riddled with errors and that everything else I have found is correct - but I suppose that is not something a competent genealogist would contemplate?

Alex

Alex

Had a look at the signatures but one is signed Vickers and the other Vicker so cannot really tell anything from this. The census in 1881 shows her as being born in Newbattle and 33 so had a look at the parish records but nothing on there either did find this though obv a sister
1 23/06/1844 VICKARS ELISABETH ALEXANDER VICKARS/ANN FLOCKHART FR761 F COCKPEN /MIDLOTHIAN 676/ 0030 0192 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Now I am leaning towards the birth in 1868 being Ann's illegitamate daughter as the step children have her maiden name.


possible for John

1 1871 VICKERS JOHN M DALKEITH /MIDLOTHIAN 683/00 0100 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

John Vickers dob 11 May 1871 mother Ann Vickers looks like Brick? worker but she has not signed the register it has her mark x so she obv couldn't write so bang goes my theory of her being the mother of the baby in 1868 as that register was signed. Have not managed to trace the other two births though

Jackie

I wonder if the baby in 1868 could have belonged to your Ann who married 1879. I will check the images on SP to see if the signatures are similar as this is how I managed to trace my mums birth family- saw a signature that matched the one on mums birth cert but discounted it as being a coincidence until I actually found out that my mum had been mislead about her mums age at the time of her birth and that she had 3 older siblings.

Meantime my youngest is nagging to get the Christmas tree up so of to spend a few hours doing that

Jackie

Jackie,

I have found a 1881 census record for John (head) and Annie Sneddon that, I think, makes things a little clearer. It is:
1 1881 SNEDDON JOHN M 38 COCKPEN /MIDLOTHIAN 676/00 002/00 039 VIEW (PAID) ORDER

It has John at 38, Annie at 33, a daughter Jane Snedden 5 and 3 step-children Annie Vicars 12, John Vicars 10 and Helen Vicars 8. The spelling of Vicars rather than Vickers threw me - but I suppose I should have been looking for that! I will look closer at this tomorrow but in the mean time, thanks again for all your help!

Alex

Alex

Have found this Alexander coal miner with grandchild Alexander wife Ann and a second grandchild Robert but none of their own children are there so not sure if we can tie it to your Alexander
1 1871 VICKERS ALEXANDER M 52 STOBHILL /MIDLOTHIAN 698/0B 003/0B 005 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1871 VICKERS ALEXANDER M 6 STOBHILL /MIDLOTHIAN 698/0B 003/0B 005 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Alex

have had a look on Sp and using all family members to track them in census have so far failed to find them.

The marriage date for John and Ann is really hard to read it could be 5th or 12th it was registered on the 13th so no clues there.

I have sent you a pm but if you need help understanding it give me a shout

Jackie

Jackie,

I have this Kerr family in the 1901 census but I have been unable to find them in the 1891 one (I spent some more time on this this morning without success). In '91 it should be Thomas 26, Ann (or Anne, Annie etc) 22, John 1 and Alexander 4 Mo. I have Thomas with his parents in 1871 and I think I found the family with no image in 1881 (father John had died in 1879) but I haven't done so well with Ann!

Alex

Alex

going out to do some dreaded xmas shopping but will have a look at some census for you when I get back if you do not already have them let me know what years and I will see what I can find

Jackie

Thanks for all the work you have done on this, Jackie.

The reply I sent was only to your first 3 messages. I have found that if I don't preview a reply before I post it, it doesn't work.

While I am interested in all of this, if I take it one step at a time then I should be sorting out my closest ancestors first. Alexander Vickers Kerr, born in Lasswade on 24 Nov 1890 to Thomas Kerr and his wife Ann (I think nee Vickers) is my grandfather. I guess that's why I included all the information I have above - and that Ann is the one I probably need to concentrate on first (if it makes sense to do that).

Regards,
Alex