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6 Feb 2010 21:13 |
Hello all,
I am pieceing together the life of a relation of mine, and it is a little confusing. If I add my findings here can others check to see if I am on the right lines or whether I am being mistaken?
Christiana Pattison was born in 1868 in Stokesley, Yorkshire the daughter of James and Hannah Pattison. She is living with her family in 1881:
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability James PATTINSON Head M Male 40 York, England Tinner Hannah PATTINSON Wife M Female 39 Stockton On Tees Edward STEPHENSON Uncle W Male 66 Brafferton, Durham, England Hawker Isaac PATTINSON Son Male 17 Stockton Christiana PATTINSON Daur Female 15 Guisbro, York, England Mary Ann PATTINSON Daur Female 13 Stokesley, York, England Isabella PATTINSON Daur Female 9 Redcar, York, England Scholar Annie PATTINSON Niece Female 12 Hartlepool, Durham, England Scholar Margaret PATTINSON Daur Female 7 Redcar, York, England Scholar Edward PATTINSON Son Male 4 Redcar, York, England Scholar Lavinia PATTINSON Daur Female 3 Redcar, York, England Scholar Hanibal PATTINSON Son Male 1 Redcar, York, England
Source Information: Dwelling 63 Red Lion St Census Place Redcar, York, England Family History Library Film 1342166 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4841 / 74 Page Number 58
She was married in September 1881 to James Sorrell, and the couple seemed to have settled in Redcar, North Yorkshire, and had at least three children (1891 Census, 1 Albert Place, Redcar, Yorkshire). These children were:
1 - Thomas Sorrell - b 1885 2 - Alfus Sorrell - b 1888 3 - John W. Sorrell - 1890
Here in 1891 her birthplace is recorded as Stokesley, North Yorkshire. James Sorrell was working as an employed joiner. I cannot find a death for James, but it seems that Christiana married under her married name of Sorrell to Thomas Stephenson in 1894; she was recorded as a widow, although strangely her father was not recorded on the marriage certificate. No father was mentioned at all.
In 1901 she and her husband Thomas Stephenson (a plater helper) and two daughters are living in St. Hilda`s, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire and although the document states she was a year older than she actually was, it also records herself as being born in Redcar, Yorkshire.
Her two daughters are:
Margaret Stephenson, b 1895 Seliana Stephenson, b 1900
Both girls were born in Middlesbrough.
I can see no sign of Christiana in the 1911 although the only suitable death I can find in for 1923 in Thirsk.
Can anyone see Christiana in the 1911? Also, do my findings seem correct? Something just doesn't seem right to me with this; for example, why can I not find a death for James Sorrell, and why are her young boys (Sorrell) not living with her and Thomas Stephenson in 1901. I've not even found the boys in 1901. Also, when Christiana and Thomas Stephenson married, why did she not mention her father James Pattison?
I'd be glad of any help!
Thank you!
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Gwyn in Kent
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6 Feb 2010 21:26 |
I'll take a slow look, but my immediate thought is have you got the correct 1st marriage?
Was she really that young ?
Do you have her father recorded on a marriage that you KNOW to be correct?
Gwyn
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alviegal
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6 Feb 2010 21:32 |
One of the boys in 1901? Coatham is very near Redcar.
1901 census transcription details for: 10, Tod Point Road, Coatham National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4570 Folio: 131 Page: 41 Reg. District: Guisbrough Sub District: Marske Parish: Coatham Enum. District: 6 Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church City/Municipal Borough: Address: 10, Tod Point Road, Coatham County: Yorkshire (North riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SORRELL, Thos Head Married M 72 1829 Furnace Laborer Bennison Yorkshire SORRELL, Sophia Wife Married F 70 1831 D K Co Not Std Eng SORRELL, Thomas Nephew Single M 16 1885 Furnace Laborer Coatham Yorkshire HUGHES, Fredk Boarder Single M 38 1863 Furnace Laborer Ireland
Another at school.
1901 census transcription details for: Sir W Turners Hospital, Kirkleatham, Kirkleatham National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4569 Folio: 70 Page: 15 Reg. District: Guisbrough Sub District: Marske Parish: Kirkleatham Enum. District: 4 Ecclesiastical District: St Cuthberts City/Municipal Borough: Address: Sir W Turners Hospital, Kirkleatham, Kirkleatham County: Yorkshire (North riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born BLAND, Thomas Master Married M 65 1836 Schoolmaster Barnard Castle Durham BLAND, Isabella Wife Married F 62 1839 Staindrop Durham BLAND, Earnest E Son Single M 31 1870 Assistant Master B A Partner Redcar Yorkshire BLAND, Gertrude E Daughter Single F 29 1872 Redcar Yorkshire IVERSEN, Henrik Boarder Single M 19 1882 Student Norway (Foreign Subject) ELEISON, Enar Boarder Single M 21 1880 Student Norway (Foreign Subject) WOOFT, Elizabeth Servant Single F 18 1883 General Servant (Domestic) Staindrop Durham COCKERELL, Emily Servant Single F 18 1883 Housemaid Domestic Skelton on Cleveland Yorkshire ATKINSON, Alfred Servant Single M 16 1885 General Servant Domestic Marske Yorkshire PINKNEY, William Scholar M 14 1887 Attending School Redcar Yorkshire WRAY, Thomas W Scholar M 13 1888 Attending School Warringby Nr Redcar Yorkshire >>>SORRIL, Alfred Scholar M 13 1888 Attending School Warringby Nr Redcar Yorkshire TURNER, Thomas N Scholar M 12 1889 Attending School South Bank Yorkshire WALLACE, John J Scholar M 9 1892 Attending School Warrenby Redcar Yorkshire ATKINSON, William Boarder Widower M 78 1823 Retired Sailor Coatham Redcar Yorkshire PIERCE, William Boarder Widower M 86 1815 Retired Stableman Richmond Yorkshire BELL, William Boarder Widower M 79 1822 Retired Labourer Marton Yorkshire ANSELL, Walter Boarder Widower M 68 1833 Retired Butler Swannington Leicestershire RUCROFT, Ruben Boarder Widower M 74 1827 Retired Butler Reeth Yorkshire TENNARD, Robert Boarder Widower M 64 1837 Labourer On Roads Lythe Yorkshire BENNISON, Emma Matron Single F 49 1852 Schoolmistress Coatham Redcar Yorkshire KEYWORTH, Mary Scholar F 13 1888 Attending School Darlington Durham CROSSLEY, Edith Scholar F 13 1888 Attending School Redcar Yorkshire WALLACE, Barbara Scholar F 12 1889 Attending School Staithes Yorkshire FLETCHER, William Servant Widower M 60 1841 General Servant Peckering Yorkshire WALTON, Mary Tenant Widow F 61 1840 Charwoman Thornaby Yorkshire WALLER, Elizabeth Tenant Single F 63 1838 Dressmaker Acklam Yorkshire SYLVESTER, Mary Inmate Single F 79 1822 Retired Schoolmistress Wath on Durn Yorkshire MITCHELL, Elizabeth Tenant Widow F 68 1833 Darlington Durham LEGGETT, Susan Inmate Widow F 78 1823 Shipdam Norfolk FORSYTHE, Margaret Inmate Single F 94 1807 Retired Housekeeper Belford Northumberland PARKER, Maria Nurse Married F 48 1853 Hospital Nurse Newton Le Willows Yorkshire PARKER, Elizabeth E Nurses Daur F 13 1888 Middleton Queanar Yorkshire PARKER, Edith M Nurses Daur F 10 1891 Middleton Queanar Yorkshire PARKER, Tom Nurses Son M 6 1895 Northallerton Yorkshire YARROW, Eleanor Inmate Widow F 76 1825 Pickering Yorkshire RUTHERFORD, Anne J Tenant Single F 37 1864 Living On Own Means Warfdale Yorkshire RUTHERFORD, Mary Tenant Single F 28 1873 Living On Own Means Kirkleatham Yorkshire SWINBANK, Elizabeth Servant Single F 39 1862 General Servant (Domestic) Darlington Durham
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6 Feb 2010 21:33 |
Name: Christiana Pattison Year of Registration: 1865 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Stokesley County: Yorkshire - North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 462
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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*
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6 Feb 2010 21:34 |
James Sorrell's Deat? Guisbro' is the registration district for Redcar. The _ usually means there's a digit missing.
Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorrell James 3_ Guisbro' 9d 344
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Penny
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6 Feb 2010 21:36 |
Could middle son be Alfred not Alfus?
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Sheila
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6 Feb 2010 21:58 |
found on FreeBMD
Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorrell James 3_ Guisbro' 9d 344
don't know if this is your James Sorrell as the age at death is not very clear but looks like 30 something.
Sheila
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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*
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6 Feb 2010 23:14 |
Looks like 'Alfus' is 'Alfred'
Births Sep 1887 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SORRELL Alfred Guisbro' 9d 502
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alviegal
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7 Feb 2010 13:21 |
Looks like the boys all joined up.
1911 census transcription details for: , Military details: Private Bn A G W O Yorkshire Regement National Archive Reference: RG14PN28383 RD517 SD1 ED5 SN9999 Reg. District: York Sub District: Skelton Parish: Enum. District: 5 Address: Strensall York County: Yorkshire (East riding) Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SORREL, Thomas James Single ? 24 1887 Soldier Redcar Yorkshire
1911 census transcription details for: Canterbury Barracks 9royal Engineers And C, CANTERBURY BARRACKS (ROYAL ENGINEERS ETC) Military details: Driver 3rd Field Troop Royal Enginners National Archive Reference: RG14PN4345 RD58 SD1 ED33 SN9999 Reg. District: Canterbury Sub District: Canterbury Parish: Canterbury Enum. District: 33 Address: Sturry Road Canterbury Enumerator in T Q M S Usher County: Kent Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SORRELL, Alfred Single ? 24 1887 Redcar Yorkshire
1911 census transcription details for: Hyderabad Barracks, HYDERABAD BARRACKS Military details: Lce Corporal Durham Light Infty National Archive Reference: RG14PN10304 RD198 SD1 ED20 SN9999 Reg. District: Colchester Sub District: Colchester South East Parish: Colchester Enum. District: 20 Address: Military Road and Mersea Road Colchester County: Essex Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SARRELL, John Single ? 21 1890 Yorks Redcar
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alviegal
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7 Feb 2010 14:08 |
: SORRELL, JOHN Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Durham Light Infantry Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Age: 26 Date of Death: 09/08/1915 Service No: 9591 Additional information: Son of the late J. Sorrell. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 36 and 38. Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
From cwgc. This is the service record for this person on ancestry. As you can see, there are 36 pages! I have looked at a few and, apart from his given place of birth, everything matches your man.
Place of birth: West Hartlepool, Durham. Occupation: Tailor Brothers Thomas James, 66 Archer St, Darlington Alfred, still serving RE. Articles of personal property were to be returned to Mrs Lily Sorrell, address as above. Brother Thomas received his 1914 Star on 11 May 1919 as John had no widow, children or parents to pass it to. He was a groom in 1913, a very good one by all accounts, but his charge sheet is rather full! He was punished a lot for Improper language to Superiors, sleeping in and was Drunk in charge of a horse and carriage a couple of times.
Liz
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about John Sorrell Name: John Sorrell Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Age at Enlistment: 15 Birth Parish: West Hartlepool Birth County: Durham Document Year: 1906 Regimental Number: 9541 Regiment Name: Durham Light Infantry Number of Images: 36
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alviegal
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7 Feb 2010 14:30 |
Sadly, also from cwgc.
SORRELL, THOMAS JAMES Initials: T J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Sapper Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers Age: 42 Date of Death: 27/03/1921 Service No: WR/125512 Additional information: Husband of Lilly Sorrell, of 28, Aldam St., Darlington. Born at Redcar. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: 101. Cemetery: BYERS GREEN (ST. PETER) CHURCHYARD AND EXTENSION
Record Francis L Furness 1911 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding View Record >>Lily Greenwood 1911 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding View Record Clara Mitchel 1911 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding View Record Clara Mitchell 1911 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding View Record >>Thomas J Sorrell 1911 Darlington Durham, Yorkshire - North Riding
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alviegal
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7 Feb 2010 14:46 |
Could Christiana have married again?
View Image Order Record View Record Gertrude Armstrong 1907 Middlesbrough (1875-1968) Yorkshire - North Riding View Record William Arthur Hall 1907 Middlesbrough (1875-1968) Yorkshire - North Riding View Record Amelia Jane Heslop 1907 Middlesbrough (1875-1968) Yorkshire - North Riding View Record Samuel Smedley 1907 Middlesbrough (1875-1968) Yorkshire - North Riding View Record Christiana Stephenson 1907 Middlesbrough (1875-1968) Yorkshire - North Riding
Date of birth is a bit out though.
Name: Thomas Stephenson Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Year of Registration: 1905 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 35 District: Middlesbrough (1875-1968) County: Yorkshire - North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 42_
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Peter
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9 Feb 2010 18:15 |
Hello all,
Wow, thank you; I've been away from the pc for a few days but thank you for all of this wonderful info! I am staggered and really appreciate all of this help! Thank you again. I have emailed the register offices over the death of James Sorrell and Thomas Stephenson, and I am also waiting to get confirmation of whether Christiana married the man named Hall in 1907.
I'll update here with any further news!
Thank you!
Peter
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Peter
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8 Oct 2012 20:33 |
Hi again,
Sorry for not replying sooner - two years late. The register office said the marriage of Christiana in 1907 was not here. So, can I ask for a look-up for her in the 1911?
Christiana Stephenson, born 1865 in Guisborough, Yorkshire.
Thanks,
Peter
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alviegal
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8 Oct 2012 21:12 |
The Christiana in the 1907 marriage was born in 1881. Shame.
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Peter
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8 Oct 2012 21:14 |
Thank you Alviegal - the reason I didn't post before was because it was a negative responce (as you have also just discovered).
And just to check, she doesn't appear as Christiana Stephenson in 1911? Not Chistine?!
Hmmmm
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ErikaH
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8 Oct 2012 23:04 |
linked?
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1312071
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Peter
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8 Oct 2012 23:17 |
No Reggie.
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alviegal
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9 Oct 2012 13:56 |
Posting 1901 just as a reference.
1901 census transcription details for: 11, Nicolas Street, Middlesbrough, Middlesbro Print Close
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 4574 Folio: 144 Page: 9 Reg. District: Middlesbrough Sub District: Middlesbrough Parish: Middlesbrough Enum. District: 6 Ecclesiastical District: St Hilda City/Municipal Borough: Address: 11, Nicolas Street, Middlesbrough, Middlesbro County: Yorkshire (North riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born STEPHENSON, Thomas Head Married M 35 1866 Platers Helper Middlesbro, Yorkshire STEPHENSON, Christiana Wife Married F 36 1865 Redcar, Yorkshire STEPHENSON, Margaret Daughter F 6 1895 Middlesbro, Yorkshire STEPHENSON, Seliana Daughter F 1 1900 Middlesbro, Yorkshire
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9 Oct 2012 14:10 |
Spouse Search Results
Search marriages - results for spouse of CHRISTIANA STEPHENSON
Result Year Surname Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact 1 1907 HALL WILLIAM A M-19-003-0-0042 Middlesbrough 2 1907 STEPHENSON CHRISTIANA M-19-003-0-0042 Middlesbrough
http://www.teesvalley-indexes.co.uk/search.php
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