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William George Manser is my G Grandad. He was born in 1882. On the 1901 cencus it states that his father was born in Bethnal Green his mother in Oxford street, London, William snr was a apprentice blacksmith, living with his Grandparents James and Matilda Humphries. The farm was called Mands Farm Chigwell. Spike. A her not a him

Hello Spike (Helen),


Sorry I know your not a "him" now............. ssooorrrrryyyyyy.



Dee x

1901 England Census
about William Manser
Name: William Manser
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil parish: Walthamstow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Walthamstow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 270
Household Members: Name Age
William Manser 44
Ellen Manser 47
William G Manser 19


Dee x

look on the 1871c

He's a Apprentice Blacksmith living with his Grandparents James and Matilda Humphreys sorry got the spelling wrong. Have put in Bethnal Green keeps throwing it out

Its a nick name I've had for years something to do with my hair. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any way thanks for the info, from yesterday I did get some what confused have written it down but still confusing. Eliza's mother had weaved a wonderful web for herself.

You keep amending your info - makes it difficult.

I can't see Matilda Humpreys or Humphries in 1871 living on a farm, and not with a grandson.

If you have the census, why not post it here?

Sorry Spike,

Got called away, yes, Eliza's mother was a bit difficult to get past... got there in the end though.

I'm having trouble finding any other census with the family, have you got them in 1891?


Dee x

Is this the 1871 you were talking about????
1871 Ancestry
Woodland's Farm
Name: William Maryon (Manser on Image)
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Stratford, Essex, England
Civil parish: Chigwell Row
Town: Chigwell Row
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: Epping
Sub-registration district: Chigwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Maryon 73
Mary Ann Eliza Maryon 37
Emily Maryon 33
William Maryon 15 Occ:Apprentice Blacksmith
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1638; Folio: 102; Page: 7
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1891 census transcription details for: 60, Arkley Road, Walthamstow

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 1354 Folio: 11 Page: 16

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Walthamstow
Parish: Walthamstow Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: St Saviour City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 60, Arkley Road, Walthamstow
County: Essex
MANSER, William Head Married M 34 1857 Brass Finisher
Hackney
London
MANSER, Ellen Wife Married F 36 1855
Hackney
London
MANSER, William Son M 9 1882
Walthamstow
Essex
MANSER, Ellen Daughter F 1 1890
Walthamstow
Essex
................
Re-married??

1911 census transcription details for: Richmond Road 41 Walthamstow
RG14PN9685 RG78PN514A RD188 SD10 ED11 SN175


Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Walthamstow
Parish: Walthamstow Enum. District: 11
Address: Richmond Road 41 Walthamstow
County: Essex

MANSER, William Head Married M 54 1857 Brass Finisher Oxford Street W
MANSER, Harriet Wife Married
1 years F 46 1865 Brass Finisher Stoke Newington N
MANSER, Horice Stepson M 9 1902 Walthamstow

Maureen

I don't even know what I'm looking for!! (that'll teach me to jump in)

If you really think the 1871 William is yours:
Marriages Sep 1852
Manser William Epping 4a 34
Maryon Elizabeth Margaret Epping 4a 34

1861 Ancestry
Name: William Manson
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Enfield, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Harrow
Town: Board of Health District
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Harrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Household schedule number: 154
Household Members:
Name Age
William Manson 36 Occ:Journeyman tailor
Elizabeth Manson 32 born Chigwell Row
Emily Manson 7
William Manson 5 born Stratford
Margarett Manson 4
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 782; Folio: 79; Page: 33;

Maureen

Edit-So in light of the following,not your people.

BINGO!
OK. Here's your William George's parents:
Name: William Edwin Manser Occ:Brass Finisher
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Ellen Ann Gill
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Sep 1880
Parish: St John the Baptist, Hoxton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Manser Occ:Japanner
Spouse Father Name: George Gill Occ:Bootmaker

Name: Ellen Beatrice Manser
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1889
Christening Date: 25 Feb 1891
Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Age at Christening: 1
Father's Name: William Edwin Manser
Mother's Name: Ellen


Maureen

Maureen, that's great work.... well done looks like you've cracked it.

Sorry my connection dropped out, been having problems with it alot today.


Dee x

Thanks,Dee! I was going around in circles for a minute there.

Maureen

I was just "slightly" put off by the original posting telling us that he lived with his grandparents James and Matilda Humphreys on a farm and the original question was "have I got something wrong".

Answer yes, the Humphreys are nothing to do with him and they don't live on a farm.

However, I'll let Spike off (just this once) cos his grandma in 1871, a 73-year old widow, is an employer of 2 blacksmiths. Quite an achievement, I would say!

Too bad it's not her family!

Oh well,this one seems just fine too!
1871 Ancestry
Name: William E Manser
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Eliza A
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England
Civil parish: Islington St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Household schedule number: 534
Household Members:
Name Age
William Manser 37 Occ:Furniture Japanner
Eliza A Manser 31
William E Manser 14
Henry J Manser 11
Walter C Manser 4
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 279; Folio: 80; Page: 31

Name: William Manser Occ:Japanner
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Spouse Name: Eliza Ann Woodley
Spouse Age: 17
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 May 1856
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Manser Occ:Japanner
Spouse Father Name: John Woodley deceased Occ:Tailor
The witnesses were:James Smart? (bride's father-in-law) and Mary Ann Smart (her mother). So I guess Mary Ann Woodley re-married after John's death.

I can't seem to spot William and Ellen in 1881,though.

Maureen

I think Maureen is on the right track now. No, 1881 is foxing me.

Here's mum and dad:

1881 England Census
about William Manser
Name: William Manser
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Soho, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Rawstorne St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Furniture Japanner

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Manser 49
Eliza A. Manser 41
Henry J. Manser 21
Walter C. Manser 14
Elizabeth A. Manser 9

HI Maureen looks like the right people as their son went on to marry my G Grandmother in 1904. They had five children Stanley Hilda my Grandmother Vera, Lily or Lillian and Ronald the last two I don't even know if they are alive Lily was about 5 years ago Ron was a bit of drinker!!
Hilda then went on to Marry Francis Swarman in 1935. My Great Grandad Manser was still alive when I turned 2 in1967 the pair of us would smoke herbal fags and drink gin while playing an upright piano the noise was terrible he was always getting into trouble for being a bad role model!!!!!!!!

I am barking up the right tree. Im very good at reading old stylie writing it States quite clearly that William George Mancer is Their GRANDSON, and that he is 15 and is an Apprentice Blacksmith. Mands Farm is stated that was were he was living in 1871

Ah gee! Spike-you can't have two people of the same name as "yours". Pick one.

Maureen

I can see no Mands Farm. Where does it say that Spike?

The apprentice blacksmith who is a grandchild in 1871 is the grandchild of Elizabeth Maryon, living possibly at Woodlands Farm.

My imagination is running wild with the thought of a 2-year old smoking herbal fags, drinking gin and playing the piano.

I am so glad that you are good at reading old style writing, but I can't see anything to read.

There is no mention of the surname Mancer on anyone's postings.

I am totally at a loss as to how to help.

Perhaps you could start again by telling us what you know.