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HAPPY 30th BIRTHDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Barbara,if you can hear above all the din-may I have a slice of cake please?)

Best,
Maureenxx

HI
Happy Birthday to your youngest.
Hope the party is going well hope the weather is a bit better than in essex.
Tracy
xx

Hi
Hope party went well? been putting things together today and was wondering what you thought of this possible death for john kelly4 1864 married to eliza
as he was not on the 1911 census
Name: John Kelly
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 48
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 101
also Amelia Birth
Name: Amelia Smith
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St George in The East
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 374
or
Name: Amelia Smith
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 25
Thank You
Tracy
xx

P.s
also found possible
john kelly 5 married to Mary ann 1881 census(on this page) marriage i found on ancestry mary ann sullivan 1c 696. your thoughts on that would be great thank you to you both as all ways.
Tracy
xx
also found Eliza in 1881 census with father chas. and mother Ellen.

-Hi Tracy and Maureen,
Thank you for asking--Great Party had by all --but had to "think again" as weather was bad so no BBQ --ended up with Chinese take away --AND a "Thomas" cake --LOL at least they all had fun --and the BBQ tihings in freezer --so watch this space for another "party"

Tracy I will take a look at your other 2 postings (printed them off so can study them better) I don't think the 1911 death can be right if "your" one died Sept quarter 1911 he would have been somewhere on 1911 census ---and Eliza was down as widow. !! ? be back soon
Best wishes
Barbara

Hi Tracy

I THINK the birth for Amelia would be the

Name: Amelia Smith
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St George in The East
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 374
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Her Baptism record ?? MAYBE

Name: Amelia Matilda Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 Aug 1890 ---birth December 18th 1889
Father's Name: George Smith (lighterman)
Mother's Name: Matilda Smith
Parish: St Mary, Stepney
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
address 22 joseph street

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maybe one of her siblings ??
Name: Rosaina Smith (should be Rosina )
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 4 Jul 1875 (no birthdate showing only baptism)
Father's Name: George Smith (lighterman)
Mother's Name: Matilda Smith
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: London
Address 30 Ann Street
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MAYBE Amelia's brother who she was with in 1911 census

Name: William George Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 29 Sep 1878 --birth date 7th may 1878
Father's Name: George Smith (Lighterman
Mother's Name: Matilda Smith
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex
address 30 Angel Gardens

All the best
Barbara xx

ps Sorry--forgot to say thank you to both you and Maureen for your Birthday wishes for my Son, how rude of me--hope I am forgiven XXX

Hi
No need to apologize, pleased it all went well, shame about the weather i had my sons 18th in Jan think the weather was better then. Lol
Think that is right for Amelia her Marriage shows her father as George occ Lighterman (was that street lights)?
I really admire how you can find all this information total amazes me, try but never seem to quiet pull it of.
Thanks
Tracy
xx

Glad to hear you had a good (if wet) day,Barbara!

Tracy-I looked around a bit for your Smiths...
1901 census transcription details for: 2, Goulds Hill, Shadwell
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 316 Folio: 44 Page: 15
Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Shadwell
Parish: Shadwell Enum. District: 2
Ecclesiastical District: Shadwell St Paul City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Goulds Hill, Shadwell
County: London

JOHNSON, Ernest Head Married M 28 1873 Laborer On Wharves
Shadwell
E London
JOHNSON, Rosina Wife Married F 26 1875
Shadwell
E London
JOHNSON, Annie Daughter Single F 1 (1 YRS 5 MOS) 1900
Shadwell
E London
JOHNSON, Rosina Daughter Single F 0 (4 MOS) 1901
SMITH, George Father-In-Law Widower M 64 1837 Lighterman
St Georges
E London
SMITH, Willm Brother-In-Law Single M 22 1879 Butcher
Shadwell
E London
SMITH, Amelia Sister-In-Law Single F 10 1891
Shadwell
E London

I wondered where Rosina was in 1881 as she didn't seem to be with the family. I think I got lucky!
1881 census transcription details for: 4, Angel Gardens, Shadwell

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 460 Folio: 119 Page: 10

Reg. District: Stepney Sub District: Shadwell
Parish: Shadwell Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Angel Gardens, Shadwell
County: Middlesex

CHATTAWAY, Caroline Head Widow F 60 1821
CHATTAWAY, William Son Single M 23 1858 Dock Labourer
Shadwell
Middlesex
CHATTAWAY, Caroline Daughter Single F 24 1857 Yarn Spinner (Cott)
Shadwell
Middlesex
>>>SMITH, Rosina Grand Daughter Single F 6 1875
Shadwell
Middlesex



Marriages Dec 1874
CHATAWAY Matilda Mile End 1c 1132
SMITH George Mile End 1c 1132

Name: Matilda Chattaway
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 15 Mar 1865
Father's Name: James Chattaway Occ:Labourer
Mother's Name: Caroline Chattaway
Parish: St Paul, Shadwell
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: London
Born Oct 25,1853
4 Angel Gardens

Hope that looks OK to you both.

Maureen

Hi Tracy and Maureen

Your findings look good to me Maureen, I found the same ones too, although I looked for Rosina and couldn't find her in 1881 , Well done !!


This is the Kelly / Sullivan marriage

Name: John Kelly
Age: 26 (according to the census I think he knocked a few years from his age on the marriage cert !!)
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Sullivan
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Apr 1865
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Kelly (Labourer)
Spouse Father Name: John Sullivan (blacksmith)

Address off both bride and Groom 18. Half Nichol Street (Same address as they were at on 1881 census !!)

Wittnesses Benjamin Butcher and Esther Thomas ??


What do you think

Barbara xx

George Snith again in 1911 census --still with daughter Rosina

1911 census transcription details for: 12 Fen St Tidal Basin E

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN9493 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED23 SN298


Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Canning Town
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 23

Address: 12 Fen St Tidal Basin E
County: Essex


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

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JOHNSON, Ernest W Head Married M 37 1874 Wharf Labourer London Shadwell

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JOHNSON, Rosina Wife Married
13 years F 35 1876 London Shadwell

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JOHNSON, Annie M Daughter F 11 1900 London Shadwell

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JOHNSON, Elizabeth M Daughter F 9 1902 London Shadwell

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JOHNSON, Lilian M Daughter F 7 1904 Essex Canning Town

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JOHNSON, Henry G Son M 3 1908 Essex Canning Town

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JOHNSON, Violet E Daughter F 2 1909 Essex Canning Town

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JOHNSON, Amelia E Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Essex Canning Town

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SMITH, George Boarder Widow M 72 1839 Old Age Pensioner London Wapping

There looks to 3 poss Death indexes for John c1865 between 1901 and 1911 ( a lot more if he died out of his own district)

Name: John Kelly
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 44
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 329


or

Name: John Kelly
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 39
District: Stepney (To 1921)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 238



or

Name: John Kelly
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 44
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 158


For Barnet district it does mention Barnet Hospitals --but not sure how close it was to where he was living.

Hi
There is no stooping you two now its so amazing what you have both found need to digest this lot now. Thank you both so much.
Think the first to deaths will be possible west ham and stepney much closer to were they lived, than Barnet
Must get ordering now i have also updated my tree on here to see if any matches come up fingers crossed.
Tracy
xx

Hi Tracy
Just wondering if you have had any certs back yet ?

best wishes
Barbara xx

Hi
Barbara, sorry for late reply hope all is well with you and your family, unfortunately had a few personal problems, not been able to carry on with family tree.
But i am now about to start again must read through all this stuff and hope to get ordering this week.
tracy
xx

No Problems Tracy just let us know when you are ready.
Best Wishes
Barbara xx