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My ancestor John Thomas was born in Salford in about 1818. In familysearch.org I found an entry for a John Thomas born in 1818 in Salford who's parents are John and Elizabeth Thomas. I saw the 1851 and i saw the entry for a John & Elizabeth Thomas age 63 born abt 1788 in Manchester. Can someone give me some advice as to whether this could be them? Or how can I find out?

They were married in 1834, but if I could find a younger brother or sister then I could do the same for them.

1851 Census
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John Thomas Elizabeth abt 1815 Salford, Lancashire, England Head Manchester, Lancashire -light Porter
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John Thomas Jane abt 1816 Salford, Lancashire, England Head Hyde, Cheshire -White Smith

John Thomas abt 1811 Salford-Cordwinder-wife Mary

MARY CHORLTON Family
Marriage: 07 JUL 1834 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

ELIZABETH THORNTON Family
Marriage: 01 JAN 1834 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Ellen, The top one is my great X2 grandfather (John Thomas b. 1815 Salford -Light Porter)

1841 Census
Name: John Thomas
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Salford
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

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Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
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Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas 25
Elizabeth Thomas 25
Elizabeth Thomas 3
Esther Thomas 6 Mo

1851 Census
Name: John Thomas
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Damaged
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas 36
Elizabeth Thomas 35 Manachester
Elizabeth Thomas 12 Manchester
John Thomas 5 Salford
William Thomas 3 Salford
Joseph Thomas 8 Mo Salford


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1861 Census
Name: John Thomas
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizh
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
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Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas 48
Elizh Thomas 46
John Thomas 15
William Thomas 13
James Thomas 7 Salford


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1861 Census
Name: John Thomas
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizh
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas 48
Elizh Thomas 46
John Thomas 15
William Thomas 13
James Thomas 7 Salford


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1881 Census
Name: Elizabeth Thomas
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 4 Griffiths Buildgs No 3
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

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Occupation: Crumpet Baker

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
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Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Thomas 66
James Thomas 27
Phelis Kirk 64 Lodger


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William,Joseph,John,or James.
Also as there are at least 4 other John Thomas born around that time ,believe their Fathers are all Brothers.

JOHN THOMAS Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 24 MAY 1818

Christening: 27 MAY 1818 Salford, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN THOMAS Family
Mother: ELIZABETH


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Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number.
Although this is a submitted entry i feel the research is good.So think you can score out John as father.

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WILLIAM THOMAS Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 31 MAY 1857 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN THOMAS Family
Mother: ELIZABETH


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Could this be John Thomas's son William being Bapts.Which points to William being John's father ? Only 1 Bapts?

I have William Thomas' marriage certificate (he was my great grandfather) was married in 1869. The father's of both bride and groom are not listed, but a John Thomas is listed as a witness. So I gathered from that, that he is a brother of William. John and Elizabeth Thomas have a son William and a son John. The marriage also lists him as being born about 1848.

Here is what i know that is relatively certain. William Thomas married Hannah Stansfield in 1869. According to the census' after that he is from Salford, Lancashire, and also the marriage certificate says he is from Salford. The marriage certificate says he was born in 1848, altho the census' say differently (1871 census says 1841)
As I've said, the marriage certificate gives no father for either person, just a line through it. The marriage certificate also says that William was a railway stoker.

An element of doubt seeing how common the Thomas name is in the Manchester/Salford area has made me start to doubt some of the leads i've had.

I was given some information about another census entry for a William Thomas in 1851 where he is listed with two other male Thomas' (John Greenwood Thomas and James Gore Thomas) where they are lodgers.

Also given the 1861 census where William Thomas and James Thomas are listed as being 'brother of the head' despite the head of the house being a man named Thomas Chapman.

Does anyone have any suggestions on this elusive family? Are these new Thomas' where my ancestors come from, or is it the other family with a John Thomas as head and a brother of William's called John? I have been told that there was a John Thomas associated with the church who was a witness at many weddings. Can anyone help me solve my element of doubt and find my family?

The LDS recently put a large collection of Greater Manchester old parish records online (although they call it Ches, Lancs & Yorks):

https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE