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4 Jul 2010 00:18 |
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Please help any one help?I am looking for the ship the family emigrated to Canada on, they were
Ellen KAY or she may have been O’FLAHERTY born 26.7.1856 Ryde IOW
Alice Jane Kay born 10.2.1876 born at new Barracks Johnston Terrace Edinburgh
Kate Ellen KAY 19.9.1874 Aldershot camp, all arrived in Ontario Canada September 1894
Also with them was Morris/Maurice O’FLAHERTY Irish Tailor, born Listowel Ireland.
thank you ,
Ann
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4 Jul 2010 00:55 |
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An Alice Kay died 24 Feb. 1897, Belleville, Ontario, She was born 1876, England. Cause of death was poisoning by Paris Green. She was a servant.
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4 Jul 2010 01:05 |
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Is this Morris & Ellen on the 1901 census in Canada?
1901 Census of Canada
about Ellen Oflaherty
Name: Ellen Oflaherty
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 43
Birth Day & Month: 25 Jul
Birth Year: 1856
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Immigration Year: 1894
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Church Of England
Province: Ontario
District: Wentworth (South/Sud)
District Number: 128
Sub-District: Dundas (Town/Ville)
Sub-District Number: D-1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Morris Oflaherty 46
Ellen Oflaherty 43
Lella S Oflaherty 5
Morris is a tailor, born Ireland. Daughter Leila was born Ontario.
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4 Jul 2010 01:21 |
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Hi Margaret, Thank you,
That is interesting, I don’t think she is mine, I have her 2nd marriage ”Bride ,Alice Kay Age: 40 Place of Birth: Embro, Scotland Widow [ why is her name Kay? was her first husband Mr Kay] to James Gibson his Age: 55 on the 15 Aug 1918,, 90 Winchester St., Toronto. Religious Denomination: Presbyterian. Father: Marshall Flaherty Mother: Ellen Lacey.”
I am looking for her 1st marriage also I cant find her in the 1901 census but she was possibly married by then.
She died 11 Oct 1920 age 42, I have her mothers 2nd marriage & her sister marriage & their deaths
Thank you yes that is them in the census I also have them in the 1911 census
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4 Jul 2010 01:27 |
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Hi,A Possible Marriage;
Maurice O'Flaherty marriage to Ellen Lacey,Portsea,Hampshire 1894,Q3.
Daughter Leila born 10th May 1895,Ontario.Parent's Maurice O'Flaherty [Tailor]& Ellen Lacey.
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 01:40 |
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Hi Cass,
Thank you for the marriage that certainly looks like them, must have married just before they went to Canada, I did look for it but that was years ago,
Thanks Ann
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4 Jul 2010 08:49 |
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Im just trying to establish some sort of time line. This is them in 1881
1881 England Census
about Kate Ellen Kay
Name: Kate Ellen Kay
[Alice Jane Kay]
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinborough, Scotland
Civil parish: Ryde
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 74 High Street
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Kay 24 <<<<Married. Occ laundress
Kate Ellen Kay 6
Kate Ellen Kay 5 <<<Alice Jane
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4 Jul 2010 08:55 |
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1891 England Census
about Ellen Stanier
Name: Ellen Stanier
[Ellen Kay]
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Daniel
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Haven St
Civil parish: Ryde
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
94 High Street
Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Stanier 71
Catharine Stanier 71
Mabel L White 24
-----------------------------------New household starts here All below listed as Kay on the record
Ellen Stanier 34 <<<<Head
Alice J Stanier 15 Daught Scotland
Bertram C Stanier 1 <<Son
Dencil J Stanier 2/12 <<Son Darrel Frank twin
Frederick W Stanier 2/12 <<Son twin
Not sure where Kate Ellen is? Maybe she died
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4 Jul 2010 09:09 |
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Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Kay Darrell 5 I. Wight 2b 385
So they were still in the UK at this point
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Ann
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4 Jul 2010 09:23 |
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Thank you Ginny yes that is them
1891 census,IOW also shown on RG12/0890/75/13/93 94 High St Ryde
Ellen KAY Wife M 34 b.Haven St, IOW
Alice J " D S 15 Domestic Servant b.Scotland
Bertram C " S - 1 b.Ryde,IOW
Denell J " S - 2 mth b.Ryde,IOW [ Darryl Frank]
Frederick W 2 S - 2 mth b.Ryde,IOW
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Kate [Ellen] Kay 16 in service to Frederick Parton at 151 High Street,
And her husband
William Kay was a lodger at the "Prince Regent" public house at No 6 Market Hill,Northwood,W Cowes Very convenient for him!
Ann
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4 Jul 2010 09:24 |
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1901 England Census
about Bertram Orchard
Name: Bertram Orchard
[Bertram Kay]
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Ryde, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Carisbrooke
Ecclesiastical parish: Carisbrooke St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: Isle of Wight Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Kay 9 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Arthur Beale 11
Robert Harns 11
Fred Hurmybun 7
Gilbert Snudden 13
Fred Warman 12
Reginald Warman 9
William Edgar White 11
Ernest Orchard 13
Bertram Orchard 13 <<<Kay on the record
Bertram Snudden 11
Joseph Queenan 11
Alfred Lionel Lewis 21
Thomas Perkes 60
Frederick Cotton 31
Corneluis Dyer 76
William Taylor 68
James Cole 83
Frank Jolliffe 62
Isaac Jenkins 50
George Roberts 79
Henry Curley 77
John Spencer 81
Robert Jones 90
John Whiting 24
Charles Lake 84
John Webb 64
Henry Rann 88
Frederick Bull 87
George Dennis 73
Thomas Saunders 66
Walter Lewis Dennis 43
Frank Weeks 55
Henry Whitewood 80
Charles Baines 67
John Harrison 72
Henry Way 83
Thomas Linington 59
Robert Allen 59
Jacob Tibbick 50
Adam Hendy 77
Frederick Gutteridge 50
Charles England 66
John Willsteed 76
Daniel Guy 65
George Coombes 32
James Kelleway 72
William Williams 88
Henry Groves 38
Henry Williams 77
Frederick Phillips 24
William Buckett 64
William Love 54
Richard Pocock 62
William Elkins 48
Jana Humber 47
Eliga Humber 33
Hilda E Tilsbury 14
Emily Sheath 40
Annie Wiseman 38
Rose Batchelor 19
Emmeline Batchelor 30
Ann Cheverton 83
Sophia Joy 80
Florence Snow 35
An Swedingham 82
Amelia Daish 16
Ann Pidgley 67
Ruby V V E Batchelor 15
Alice Eldridge 13
Jessie Dove 11
Bearerice Dove 14
Emona Brewer 14
Daisy Brewer 11
Eliza James 15
Frances Hams 8
Henry Hurmybun 4
Agnes Queenan 7
Kate Queenan 3
Denis Queenan 5
Annie Bray 4
Elizabeth Reynolds 64
Madeline Todd 65
Hagar Butt 29
Alice Warnes 33
Daisy Warnes 5
William C Warnes 4
Francis Hams 5
Jemima Hams 2
Thomas Spencer 2
Jesse Jas Barnes 3
Reginald Frice 5
William Quennan 10 months
Charles Hall 4
Charity Bray 2
Albert Bray 2
Ruth Halliday 3
Gertrude Wightman 21
Rose Morey 21
Mary F Morsey 3/12
So two boys were here in 1901. Need to go look for the others
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4 Jul 2010 09:36 |
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Hmmm so I'll not look for Bertram
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about Bertram Charles Kay
Name: Bertram Charles Kay
Birth Place: Ryde, I. of W.
Residence: West Runton, Norfolk
Death Date: 12 Mar 1915
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Sandown, Hants
Rank: L/Corporal
Regiment: Scots Guards
Number: 6028
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
KAY, BERTRAM CHARLES
Initials: B C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Scots Guards
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 12/03/1915
Service No: 6028
Additional information: Son of Mrs. Hunter, of King St., Dundas, Ontario, Canada; husband of Alice Maud Kay (nee Butterfield).
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 3 and 4.
Memorial: LE TOURET MEMORIAL
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Gee
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4 Jul 2010 09:40 |
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So from the death record of Bertram...his mother is down as Hunter?
Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
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BUTTERFIELD Alice Maude St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 605
Kay Bertram Charles St Geo H. Sq. 1a 605
At last...the fathers name!
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Bertram Charles Kay
Name: Bertram Charles Kay
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1889
Christening Date: 1 Dec 1889
Christening Place: Ryde, Hampshire, England
Father's Name: William Kay
Mother's Name: Ellen
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4 Jul 2010 09:45 |
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1911 Census of Canada
about Babram C Kay
Name: Babram C Kay <<<Crane man
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 23
Birth Date: Oct 1887
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1908 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Wentworth
District Number: 135
Sub-District: Dundas
Sub-District Number: 52
Place of Habitation: Dundas
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Babram C Kay 23
Alice M Kay 30
Sylvia R Kay 2
Dorothy A Kay 10/12
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4 Jul 2010 09:45 |
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Hi Ginny.
Darryl Frank died in Carisbrooke Workhouse 18.11. 1896.
Frederick 9 at school Pauper Ryde IOW Bertram,13 Tailor Pauper Ryde IOW were both in the Work house In 1901 they went to Canada 1908 I don’t know what Ship.
Ellen & the two girls were in Canada in 1901 they arrived in Sept 1894
I have the censue for Ellen O’FLAHERTY & her daughter Kate Ellen, but no info on Alice Jane.
Ann
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4 Jul 2010 09:49 |
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Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Bertram Kay
Name: Bertram Kay
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Date of Arrival: 12 May 1908
Vessel: Parisian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Parisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Roll: T-493
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Frederick William Kay
Name: Frederick William Kay
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 30 Apr 1921
Vessel: Metagama
Search Ship Database: View the 'Metagama' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14712
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Frederick W Kay
Name: Frederick W Kay
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 6 Jan 1928
Vessel: Aorangi
Search Ship Database: View the 'Aorangi' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Victoria, British Columbia
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Roll: T-14889
He was a 'stowaway'
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4 Jul 2010 10:01 |
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Hi
I have the marriage cert 16 Mar 1908 for Bertram Charles & Alice his father had died by then
Maurice O' Flaherty died 21 .9.1913 age 63 & Ellen married Robert Hunter 24 Nov 1919
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4 Jul 2010 10:16 |
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Thank you very much for the Canadian Passenger Lists, I am not sure about Frederick William ?
As Frederick William Kay was at the death of his step father he was informant 21.9.1913 of Maurice O'FLAHERTY, He Married 10 Mar 1915 in Dundas, ONTARIO. Dorothy KENNAUGH , & enlisted in army 12 Feb 1916.
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4 Jul 2010 10:23 |
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Sylvia is listed here too. This must be Bertrams wife
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Alice Kay
Name: Alice Kay
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Date of Arrival: 1 Nov 1909
Vessel: Corinthian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Corinthian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: London, England and Le Havre, France
Roll: T-4764
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4 Jul 2010 11:12 |
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Thank you very much Ginny that is very kind of you, so the ship called in at Le Havre, France .
Ann
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