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Yes, this is part of my "mob" - and a mob it is - 12 siblings who lived to adulthood! My grandparents moved to Northern Ontario as pioneers opening up the area.

After Marion (James) Clark died, Joe remarried Liza Barker. She died a few years later, and then he moved north to Thornloe, and had a little house not far from my grandparents - I believe it was located on their farm. Near the end of his life, he moved in with them, and died in their home.

Joan McCrory is married to my cousin's son (grandson of my aunt Mary Bell Foster who married Donald McCrory) , who is also named Donald McCrory. They live about an hour away from me.

I don't know if this is anything to do with your mob:

20457-1922 Donald McCRORY, 30, Miner, Ireland, Timmins, s/o Donald McCRORY (b. Ireland) & Rose CONROY, married Mary Bell FOSTER, 22, Peterborough, Thornloe, d/o William H. FOSTER (b. Ireland) & Jean SHEARER, Wtn. Nellie & Frank FOSTER, both of Thornloe, on Nov. 1, 1922 at Thornloe

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/

Jos Clark 1891
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148159-00497.pdf

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON PETERBOROUGH (East/Est) (#106)
Subdistrict: Otonabee U-2 Page 4
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000096118.pdf

The above search at AG showed
Line 29: Researcher contact: Joan McCrory:
This is my husband's great grandfather More
etc - the email addy is 14m old - I don't know if it's still active.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html

1901 Sched 2
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000096112.pdf
[addy=Conc 2 Lot 22 - it's a rented 6 room Wood house on 1/4 acre]

For a concession map, see:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/pet-m-otonabee.jpg
So the village of Villiers is on Villiers Line between conc 2 & 3 on lot 16 just S of route 2.
Thus, he lived a couple of miles N on Villiers line or maybe on the next line road to the E.



1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON ONTARIO (North/Nord) (#97)
Subdistrict: Beaverton (Village) A Page 1
13 3 Clark Joesph M Head M Mar 3 1831 70
14 3 Clark Liza J F Wife M Feb 6 1844 57
15 3 Barker Margaret F Mother W May 10 1817 84
16 3 Goodwin Catherine F Lodger W Nov 29 1835 65
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000088402.pdf

Sched 2
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000088398.pdf
[addy=South Simcoe - it's an owned 5 room Brick house on 1/2 acre]
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000088398.pdf

I was always told that he was born in Chelsea, England. Interestingly, when looking on Ancestry last evening, I found a couple of William James (the name of Marion's father) who had died in Chelsea, in the right time period. Not sure yet if there's a connection ...

Sue

Can't see a James birth registered in Wandsworth district that would fit. Of course, 6 months have passed since his birth so he could have been born anywhere.

Rose

True enough.

William/Joseph registered her death. The information about Wales would have come from what he knew, so might not be accurate.

Rose

Rose, I just found the following record on Ancestry.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Joseph Henry James Name: Joseph Henry James
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1875
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1875
Father's name: William James
Mother's name: Marian James
Parish or Poor Law Union: Battersea St Mary
Borough: Wandsworth

The actual entry on the page indicates that his date of birth was Sept 6 1874; it states that his father, William was a "traveller". Address is 52 Henry St., Battersea, Wandsworth, Surrey. Even more interesting is the entry immediately above it, which lists the baptism of a Richard George Baker on the same date, born Feb 11 1874, son of Richard George and Elizabeth Baker, bricklayer, living at 52 Henry St., Battersea. Richard George the father was born in 1854, and is the son of Richard and Naomi Baker. Naomi is Joseph Portine Clark's sister. The story is getting even more interesting ...

I note that District 100 in the 1881 census is not correlated with Ontario County; it is, however, in the 1891 census. It therefore appears that I have recorded Joseph P. Clark in Canada in 1881 erroneously.

I don't recall having been able to find him on any of the census documents, perhaps because he was a sailor all his life.

I also have the ship's passenger list for Marion and Joseph Jr. They arrived in Canada on September 13, 1884. Joseph Jr. is listed as age 11 - which is likely where I got 1873 for the year of his birth.

I also note that my grandmother named two of her children after what she thought were their forebears - Andrew Rufus Foster, and Stanley Spencer Foster. It would seem that both she and my grandfather took Marion's word for who the forebears were, although I have wondered, from time to time, whether that was only partially, or perhaps not at all, true. I know that my grandfather told my mother that he remembered, as a little boy, his grandfather, a tall, kindly, white-haired man, coming to visit, taking him for a walk, and holding his hand and pointing out the various constellations in the stars. That was in England, before Marion and he left for Canada. But that is all I know.

I have Marion's death certificate, which indicates that she is from Wales.

Re Joseph - I found him listed in Ontario County, District 100, which is Beaverton, or close to it.

Have you been able to find any information with respect to the Foster family (Spencer, Flora, and Matthew)?

Sue

I can't see Joseph in Beaverton in 1881. Can you list the results? In 1901, his year of immigration is listed as 1883.

Rose

Sue,

You need put aside all the information you have that has been passed down by word of mouth. Typically, it's highly inaccurate and there's not Spencer, Flora or Matthew anywhere on Ancestry.

Did you see my earlier comment that William was born in 1874? Marion is listed as being from England in 1891.

Rose

Rose,

Thanks for the assistance. My apologies for not answering straight away, but I posted the message around 1:30 am our time, and retired for the night shortly thereafter. The marriage of Wm Henry Foster and Jennie Shearer is, indeed, my grandparents. The 1901 Canadian census listing is them, as well. The marriage registration for Marion James and Joseph Clark is the correct one.

In thinking about the Pembroke listing from 1871, her father's name and occupation are correct. However, I have spoken to a number of my aunts and uncles in the past, and no-one remembers any reference to Marion having any siblings. Whether that is because there were none, or because she fell out with them and did not mention them, I do not know. Her mother's name was always said to be Jane; I raised the Pembroke possibility because of the sister's name being Jane, rather than the mother's. Those are the only 2 Wm James I was able to find who were in the carpentry trade.

Marriage:

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1801-1926
about William Henry Foster Name: William Henry Foster
Spouse Name: Jennie Shearer
Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1897
Marriage Location: Otonabee
Registration Number: 55131
Archives of Ontario Microfilm: MS932_93

Rose

Assume this must be the one? Birth year is listed as 1874 here and in 1911:

1901 Census of Canada
about H William Foster Name: H William Foster
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 26
Birth Day & Month: 6 Sep
Birth Year: 1874
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1884
Racial or Tribal Origin: England (English)
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Methodist
Occupation: Butcher
Province: Ontario
District: Peterborough (East/est)
District Number: 106
Sub-District: Otonabee
Sub-District Number: U-2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
H William Foster 26
Jane Foster 21
Aurther J Foster 3
William F Foster 1

Rose

Where is William in 1901? That census should list his date of birth.

Rose

Here's the Marian James from Pembroke in 1871:

1871 Wales Census
about Mary Ann James Name: Mary Ann James
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Step Daughter
Mother's name: Ann Osmond
Gender: Female
Where born: Pembroke Dock
Civil Parish: St Mary Pembroke
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Pater
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pembroke
Sub-registration district: Pembroke
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 76
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Osmond 39
Ann Osmond 45
Sarah Ann Osmond 8
Thomas Belt 24
Mary Ann James 21

Rose

For Ref

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Marion Rosetta James
Name: Marion Rosetta James
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 480

Married Joseph Portine Clark