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Frances
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29 Jul 2011 10:59 |
Thanks Choccy, you have the same marriage and father for Bridgett that I found. Choosing James' mother/father may be only a probability rather than a logical certainty. For now gardening is the priority.......
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29 Jul 2011 10:42 |
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Bridgett Sanderson Birth Year: abt 1835 Age: 20 Marriage or Bann Date: 23 Aug 1855 Parish: Almondbury, All Hallows Father's name: Joshua Sanderson Spouse's Name: James Radcliffe (age 20) James' father's name and occupation is not entered - does this mean he was illegitimate perhaps ?
Witnesses - William Connor and Walter (?) Charlesworth
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29 Jul 2011 10:35 |
Thank you Choccy, that's great. At least he has ancestors! More research needed to feed the addiction.....
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29 Jul 2011 10:26 |
looks like he was not a son, but a grandson -
1851
RADELIFF, James Head Married M 62 1789 Wool Dyer Saddleworth Yorkshire VIEW RADELIFF, Hannah Wife Married F 60 1791 Morley Yorkshire VIEW RADELIFF, Joseph Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Wool Dyer Servant Upperthong Yorkshire VIEW RADELIFF, James Grand Son Unmarried M 15 1836 Woollen Piecer Upperthong Yorkshire VIEW CARTWRIGHT, William Son In Law Widower M 31 1820 Woollen Spinner Burton Yorkshire VIEW CARTWRIGHT, Mary Ann Grand Daughter F 4 1847 Scholar Upperthong Yorkshire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: HO107 Piece: 2292 Folio: 268 Page: 26 Registration District: Huddersfield Sub District: Holmfirth Enumeration District: 1B Ecclesiastical Parish: Upperthong Civil Parish: Upperthong Municipal Borough: Address: Burnlee Bottoms, Upperthong County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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29 Jul 2011 10:18 |
1841
RADCLIFF, James M 50 1791 Yorkshire VIEW RADCLIFF, Hannah F 45 1796 Yorkshire VIEW RADCLIFF, Sarah F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW RADCLIFF, Caroline F 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW RADCLIFF, Harriet F 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW RADCLIFF, Hannah F 13 1828 Yorkshire VIEW RADCLIFF, Joseph M 10 1831 Yorkshire VIEW RADCLIFF, James M 5 1836 Yorkshire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: HO107 Piece: 1274 Book/Folio: 15/27 Page: 14 Registration District: Huddersfield Sub District: Holmfirth Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Almondbury Municipal Borough: Address: Bottoms, Almondbury, Upperthong County: Yorkshire
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29 Jul 2011 10:02 |
Ndg - Please see my new info in last message
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29 Jul 2011 09:06 |
After much consideration of all the info contributed it seems that James Radcliffe from Uppermill, Saddleworth 1851 is not the same person as James Radcliffe from Upperthong, Holmfirth in later census. The 1861 gives his name without ending with an 'e' so I have checked the G.R. single line for 1841 and he shows up :-
Radcliff James 1836 Yorkshire Huddersfield, Holmfirth
Can anyone see if he is with his parents in 1841 please?
Many thanks, Frances
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28 Jul 2011 18:06 |
Thank you for all the extra TootyFruity. My friend went home at 12.45 without seeing all your hard work but I have copied it into the Radcliffe file for him to see when he comes again a week on Sunday! I will have to draw out a tree to see if I can determine which are James's parents. At least Bridgett is easy with her mother being present in 1871.
Frances
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25 Jul 2011 00:34 |
1891
RADCLIFFE, James Head Married M 53 1838 Grocer & Beerseller Holmfirth Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Bridgett Wife Married F 55 1836 Holmfirth Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Martha A Daughter Single F 30 1861 Grocers Assistant Holmfirth Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Harry S Son Single M 22 1869 Worsted Warp Twister Holmfirth Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, William A Son Single M 19 1872 Worsted Warp Twister Holmfirth Yorkshire RG number:RG12 Piece:3646 Folio:8 Page:10 Registration District:Bradford Sub District:Thornton Enumeration District:21 Ecclesiastical Parish:St John the Baptist Civil Parish:Clayton Municipal Borough: Address:Fleece Inn, Clayton Green, Clayton County:Yorkshire (West Riding)
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25 Jul 2011 00:23 |
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RADCLIFFE, Henry Head Married 12 years M 40 1871 Railway Capstanman Yorkshire Huddersfield RADCLIFFE, Harriett Hannah Wife Married F 41 1870 Heartn Rug Weaver Yorkshire Huddersfield RG number:RG14 Piece:26271 Reference:RG14PN26271 RG78PN1519 RD495 SD6 ED18 SN124 Registration District: Huddersfield Sub District:Almondbury Enumeration District:18 Parish: Dalton Address:48 Wakefield Road Moldgreen Hudd County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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25 Jul 2011 00:19 |
1901
RADCLIFFE, Bridget Head Widow F 65 1836 Beer Seller Holmfirth Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Henry S Son Married M 32 1869 Assistant Waiter Holmfirth Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Henrietta Wife Married F 26 1875 Shipley Yorkshire RG number:RG13 Piece:4179 Folio:86 Page: 2 Registration District: North Bierley Sub District: Thornton Enumeration District: 15 Ecclesiastical Parish: Clayton St John the Baptist Civil Parish: Clayton Municipal Borough: Address: 15, Clayton Lane, Clayton County:Yorkshire (West riding)
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25 Jul 2011 00:06 |
1871
RADCLIFFE, James Head M 35 1836 Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Bridget Wife F 35 1836 Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Sarah Ann Daughter F 15 1856 Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Thos Joshua Son M 13 1858 Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Martha Alice Daughter F 10 1861 Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Harriot Anne Daughter F 8 1863 Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Harry Sanderson Son M 2 1869 Yorkshire SANDERSON, Martha Mother-In-Law F 63 1808 Yorkshire SANDERSON, Lot Brother-In-Law M 25 1846 Yorkshire RG number:RG10 Piece:4347 Folio:43 Page:26 Registration District:Huddersfield Sub District:Holmfirth Enumeration District:2 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish:Upperthong Municipal Borough: Address:Victoria Row, Upperthong County:Yorkshire
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24 Jul 2011 23:57 |
1881
RADCLIFFE, James Head Married M 45 1836 Woollen Cloth Miller Upperthong Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Bridget Wife Married F 45 1836 Binns Upperthong Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Sarah Hannah Daughter Single F 25 1856 Cotton Warper Uppermill Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Martha Alice Daughter Single F 20 1861 Cotton Doubler Victoria Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Harriett Daughter Single F 18 1863 Cotton Doubler Victoria Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Emma Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Victoria Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, Henry Sanderson Son Single M 12 1869 Woollen Warpers Assistant Victoria Yorkshire RADCLIFFE, William Arthur Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Victoria Yorkshire SANDERSON, Lot Lodger Single M 26 1855 Woollen Weaver Tappet Denby Yorkshire RG number:RG11 Piece:4368 Folio:62 Page:2 Registration District:Huddersfield Sub District:Honley Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: South Crosland Municipal Borough: Address:Cropland Factory, South Crosland County:Yorkshire (West riding)
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24 Jul 2011 23:48 |
1861
RADCLIFF, James Head Married M 25 1836 Cloth Miller Bumler Upperthong Yorkshire RADCLIFF, Bridget Wife Married F 25 1836 Bumler Upperthong Yorkshire RADCLIFF, Sarah Ann Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Uppermill Upperthong Yorkshire RADCLIFF, Thos Jos Son M 3 1858 Scholar Uppermill Yorkshire RADCLIFF, Martha Alice Daughter F 0 (7M) 1861 Uppermill Yorkshire RG number:RG09 Piece:3249 Folio:41 Page:19 Registration District:Huddersfield Sub District:4 Holmfirth Enumeration District:2 Ecclesiastical Parish:St Johns Upperthong Civil Parish:Upperthong Municipal Borough: Address:Victoria Place, Upperthong County:Yorkshire (West Riding)
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24 Jul 2011 23:39 |
Marriage
Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
Radcliffe James Huddersfield 9a 279 Sanderson Bridgett Huddersfield 9a 279
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Frances
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24 Jul 2011 23:35 |
Thanks for the '41 Andrew. John was already a widower it seems.
Gwyn, I am doing this research for a friend of a friend and the 1881 census gives James RADCLIFFE Head M Male 45 Upperthong, York, England Woollen Cloth Miller Bridget RADCLIFFE Wife M Female 45 Binns Upperthong, York, England as the parents of Henry Sanderson RADCLIFFE Son Male 12 Victoria, York, England Woollen Warpers Assistant
Henry Sanderson is the known grandfather
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Gwyn in Kent
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24 Jul 2011 23:13 |
Did James marry? A marriage certificate should show his father's name and occupation.
Can you outline for us how you got back to James please? Maybe someone can help.
Gwyn
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24 Jul 2011 23:12 |
1841?
1841 England Census about James Radcliffe Name: James Radcliffe Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Rochdale Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Saddleworth Sub-registration district: Upper Mill Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1279 Book: 2 Folio: 32 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age John Radcliffe 40 Sarah Radcliffe 20 Eliza Radcliffe 15 Hannah Radcliffe 15 John Radcliffe 14 Esther Radcliffe 10 Mary Radcliffe 7 James Radcliffe 4 Charles Radcliffe 2 Sarah Radcliffe 65 Andy
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24 Jul 2011 23:11 |
Thank you Ann, Tuity Fruity and Gwyn. I need to do more research to see if it is possible to determine which parents.
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Gwyn in Kent
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24 Jul 2011 23:01 |
Name: James Radcliffe Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Son Father's name: John Radcliffe Gender: M (Male) Where born: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Saddleworth Ecclesiastical parish: Saddleworth County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Saddleworth Sub-registration district: Uppermill ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 133 Piece: 2290 Folio: 360 Page Number: 44 Household Members: Name Age John Radcliffe 51 <<< head of household,widower, a farmer of 11 acres John W Radcliffe 24 James Radcliffe 15 Charles T Radcliffe 12 Esther A Radcliffe 19 James Lawton 24 Hannah Lawton 26
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