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Tracey's right - you can tell by checking the local RO's index, via:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
MCCORMICK John W BLACKSHAW Sarah A Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford SAL/43/146
ROEBUCK John WALSH Catherine Salford Register Office or Registrar Attended Salford SAL/43/147

Until 1898, non-conformists (excl quakers, jews) were not authorized to keep official marr registers, so the registrar would need to attend to get the signatures in his rego - he would also attend all register office marrs of course.

Simon,

Can you please come back to us and explain where you got all your original facts from?

I have a horrid feeling you've plucked some from the air? (and used guesswork for the rest?)

We need to know whom you are starting with.... are you going from Maria forwards, or have you got Mary Ellen as a start and are working backwards?

......if you are starting from Mary Ellen, then you MUST get her birth cert to be certain of details, because i think this is your Mary Ellen...

1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3735 Folio: 38 Page: 27
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 28, Mary Street, Salford County: Lancashire
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MCCORMICK, Maria Head Widow F 40 1861 House Worker Manchester
MCCORMICK, John Son Single M 20 1881 Glass Packer Manchester
MCCORMICK, Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1884 Cap Machinist Manchester
MCCORMICK, Kate Daughter F 12 1889 Attending School Manchester Salford
>>MCCORMICK, Mary Daughter F 9 1892 Attending School Manchester Salford
MCCORMICK, Margaret Daughter F 7 1894 Attending School Manchester Salford
MCCORMICK, Agnes Daughter F 5 1896 Manchester Salford

That is NOT the same family as the 1881 you believe them to be.

I have posted the entire set from 1881 to 1911 for the John W McCormick that marries Sarah A (not Catherine) and they do not have a child called Mary Ellen..... however the alternate 1901 census i have posted does have a widowed Maria and a son called John.

I think you'll find if you order the birth for Mary Ellen (Births Sep 1892 McCormick Mary Ellen Bury 8c 590 ) you will discover that John is her brother and Maria is her mother.

I might however be very wrong, but the facts do not add up any other way :-)

Tracey x

Ahhhhhh..... i think you have the wrong wife!!

Marriages Mar 1883
>>BLACKSHAW Sarah Ann Salford 8d 178
>>McCormick John William Salford 8d 178
ROEBUCK John Salford 8d 178
WALSH Catherine Salford 8d 178

I think you'll find John W married Sarah A Blackshaw and NOT Catherine Walsh!

1911 RG14PN24062 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED19 SN203
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 11 Skinner St Salford Manchester County: Lancashire
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MACCORMACK, John William Head Married M 49 1862 Stripper And Grinder Slaford Lancashire
MACCORMACK, Sarah Ann Wife Married 27 years F 45 1866 Slaford Lancashire
MACCORMACK, Emma Daughter Single F 19 1892 Ring Spinner Slaford Lancashire
MACCORMACK, Sarah Ann Daughter Single F 17 1894 Garment Maker Slaford Lancashire
MACCORMACK, Henry Son Single M 14 1897 Lorry Nipper Lurry Boy Slaford Lancashire
MACCORMACK, Lily Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Slaford Lancashire
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1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3735 Folio: 53 Page: 19
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 11, Skinner Street, Salford County: Lancashire
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MCCORMACK, John W Head Married M 39 1862 Cotton Stripper & Grinder Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Sarah A Wife Married F 36 1865 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Emma Daughter F 9 1892 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Sarah A Daughter F 7 1894 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Henry Son M 4 1897 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Lilly Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1901 Salford Lancashire
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1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 3225 Folio: 25 Page: 44
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 8, Gertrude Street, Salford County: Lancashire
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MCCORMICK, John W Head Married M 30 1861 Stripper And Grinder Cotton Mill Salford Lancashire
MCCORMICK, Sarah A Wife Married F 26 1865 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMICK, John W Son M 2 1889 Salford Lancashire
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1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 3966 Folio: 50 Page: 38
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 7, Rossons Court, Salford County: Lancashire
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MC CORMICK, Maria Head Widow F 53 1828 Housekeeper Salford Lancashire
MC CORMICK, John W Son Single M 19 1862 Grinder In Cotton Mill Salford Lancashire

Cross referencing his Job description throughout, i am certain these are all for the same person.

I do then wonder if that child is yours? Or if she is yours, then the parenting is what you have incorrect?

Something doesn't add up ?? :-/


Tracey xx

Throwing this one in, it confuses me a little.... if this is your Mary Ellen, she's listed as Maria's child?

1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3735 Folio: 38 Page: 27
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 28, Mary Street, Salford County: Lancashire
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MCCORMICK, Maria Head Widow F 40 1861 House Worker Manchester
MCCORMICK, John Son Single M 20 1881 Glass Packer Manchester
MCCORMICK, Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1884 Cap Machinist Manchester
MCCORMICK, Kate Daughter F 12 1889 Attending School Manchester Salford
MCCORMICK, Mary Daughter F 9 1892 Attending School Manchester Salford
MCCORMICK, Margaret Daughter F 7 1894 Attending School Manchester Salford
MCCORMICK, Agnes Daughter F 5 1896 Manchester Salford


Tracey x

1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3735 Folio: 53 Page: 19
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 11, Skinner Street, Salford County: Lancashire
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MCCORMACK, John W Head Married M 39 1862 Cotton Stripper & Grinder Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Sarah A Wife Married F 36 1865 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Emma Daughter F 9 1892 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Sarah A Daughter F 7 1894 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Henry Son M 4 1897 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMACK, Lilly Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1901 Salford Lancashire

Tracey x

Thanks all,

I think I'll go for William (Scotland) and Maria (Salford) as the parents.
I've ordered the marriage cert of John to Catherine to confirm his father before I get warnings over not assuming!

Cheers,

Simon.

Hmmmm.... This one seems good, but a different wife?

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 3225 Folio: 25 Page: 44
Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road
Address: 8, Gertrude Street, Salford County: Lancashire
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MCCORMICK, John W Head Married M 30 1861 Stripper And Grinder Cotton Mill Salford Lancashire
MCCORMICK, Sarah A Wife Married F 26 1865 Salford Lancashire
MCCORMICK, John W Son M 2 1889 Salford Lancashire

The job description almost exactly matches the 1881. If you do not have Ellen's birth cert how do you know for certain he married a Catherine?

I have a feeling we have the wrong wife, unless of course you have absolute proof otherwise?

.... or he married twice?


Tracey x

Baptisms: 9 Mar 1862 St Philip, Salford, Lancashire, England
John William McCormick - Child of William McCormick & Maria
Abode: 13 Burton St.
Occupation: Porter
Baptised by: W. Hopwood
Register: Baptisms 1848 - 1864, Page 293, Entry 1055
Source: LDS Film 506449

Simon the census reads William, M for male, not M as a middle name.

Alviegal, Patchem, Lynski. WayneTracey,

Thanks for all your posts.
It's a tough call.
You can see he's John W in 1881.
Why then William M in 1871?

Where is her in 1891?

Maria as the mother is Ok but there were a few Mc Cormicks marrying a Maria arond that time in Salford/Manchester.

Any othersshow up as potentials?

Cheers,

Simon.

Births Mar 1862
MCCORMICK John William Salford 8a 56

Births Jun 1863
McCORMICK John William Salford 8d 39

same family in 1911.

1911 RG14PN24148 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED15 SN233
Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: St George
Address: 48 Teignmouth ST County: Lancashire
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MCCORMICK, John Head Married M 50 1861 Labourer Streete Co Westmeath Ireland Resident
MCCORMICK, Catherione Wife Married 17 years F 43 1868 Housekeeper Manchester Lancs
MCCORMICK, John Son Single M 16 1895 Telephone Assistant Manchester Lancs
MCCORMICK, Winefred Daughter F 14 1897 Cap Maker Manchester Lancs
MCCORMICK, Joseph Patrick Son M 11 1900 School Manchester Lancs
MCCORMICK, Catherine Daughter F 8 1903 School Manchester Lancs
MCCORMICK, Denis Son M 4 1907 Manchester Lancs
MCCORMICK, Mathew Son M 4 1907 Manchester Lancs
MCCORMICK, Ellen Daughter F 1 1910 Manchester Lancs
HARDIMAN, Martin Joseph Brother In Law Single M 35 1876 Tailor Maker Manchester Lancs

Tracey x

?
1861 England Census
Maria McCormick
Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William McCormick
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Salford County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 177 Piece: 2911 Folio: 43
Page Number: 27

William McCormick 53 Porter Cumberland
Maria McCormick 37
Alice Mett 30

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2911; Folio: 43; Page: 27; GSU roll: 543049.

Possible 1901?

1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3750 Folio: 65 Page: 11
Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: St George
Address: 40, Sudell Street, Manchester County: Lancashire
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MCCORMICK, John Head Married M 38 1863 Labourer In Brickyard Ireland
MCCORMICK, Catherine Wife Married F 33 1868 Manchester Lancashire
MCCORMICK, John Son M 6 1895 Manchester Lancashire
MCCORMICK, Winifred Daughter F 4 1897 Manchester Lancashire
MCCORMICK, Margaret Daughter F 3 1898 Manchester Lancashire
MCCORMICK, Joseph P Son M 1 1900 Manchester Lancashire

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John William Mccormick

England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910


parents: William Mccormick, Maria Mccormick

record title: England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
name: John William Mccormick
event: Christening
event date: 09 Mar 1862
event place: Salford (St Phillip), Lancashire, England
father: William Mccormick
mother: Maria Mccormick
digital folder number: 004443955

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James William Mc Cormick

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


residence: Lancashire, England
parents: William Mc Cormick, Maria

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: James William Mc Cormick
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 22 Nov 1857
baptism/christening place: CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: William Mc Cormick
mother's name: Maria
indexing project (batch) number: C07354-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 438179

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MCCORMICK, William Head M 67 1804 Scotland VIEW
MCCORMICK, Maria F 45 1826 Lancashire VIEW
MCCORMICK, William M 10 1861 Lancashire VIEW
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4016 Folio:
118 Page:
39

Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Greengate Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Salford Municipal Borough:
Salford Address:
Mount Pleasant Place, Salford County:
Lancashire

Possible marriage???????????

William Mc Cormick

England Marriages, 1538–1973


marriage: 21 Feb 1857 —Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
spouse: Maria Hadwen

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: William Mc Cormick
bride's name: Maria Hadwen
marriage date: 21 Feb 1857
marriage place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
indexing project (batch) number: M09789-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 438222

Tracey,

Unfortunately I don't have the full address in Heywood.

Anyone having anyluck finding them in 1871. It should be the easiest chance to find them.

Ta,

Simon.

Using William not John?
1871 England Census
Maria McCormick
Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 213 Piece: 4016 Folio: 118 Page Number: 39

William McCormick 67 Railway labourer Scotland
Maria McCormick 45
William McCormick 10

5 Mount Pleasant Place
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4016; Folio: 118; Page: 39; GSU roll: 846316.

1871 census?

MCCORMICK, William Head M 67 1804 Scotland VIEW
MCCORMICK, Maria F 45 1826 Lancashire VIEW
MCCORMICK, William M 10 1861 Lancashire VIEW

RG number: RG10 Piece: 4016 Folio: 118 Page: 39
Registration District: Salford Sub District: Greengate
Enumeration District: 5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Salford Municipal Borough: Salford
Address: Mount Pleasant Place, Salford County: Lancashire

Just for refeence:
1881 England Census
John W. Mc Cormick
Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria Mc Cormick
Gender: Male Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street Address: 7 Rossons Court
Occupation: Grinder In Cotton Mill
Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 3966 Folio: 50 Page Number: 38

Maria Mc Cormick 53
John W. Mc Cormick 19

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3966; Folio: 50; Page: 38; GSU roll: 1341947.