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You won't find any birth records anywhere prior to 1837 as that is when registration began. Before that the best you can hope for is baptism records.

As for Genes, it is worth having the standard membership so that you can post on the community boards and ask for help, but for searching records Findmypast or Ancestry are better value in my opinion.

Kath. x

Thanks everybody for your help.
I can see where and why I am having so much difficulty.
Genes Reunited does not have birth records prior to 1837 nor does it have Marriage records prior to 1837.

I can see now that Ancestry.co.uk has far more to offer. Can anyone see the benefits of Genes Reunited in preference to Ancestry .co.uk ?

You can obtain a copy of the will by applying to any of the addresses on this website:-

http://212.137.36.113/HMCSCourtFinder/CourtFinder.do?court_work_type_desc=probate

You need to give the name and the date of death and probate date (which Ginny has supplied above).

It will cost £5 (or it did last year, so may have increased in price).

Kath. x

Its all beginning to look very interesting. It looks as if I can at last correct my family tree that I drew up years ago.
I have ordered a birth Certificate for William Henry Belcher which hopefully will confirm his parents and locations etc. It looks as if I shall be able to research further back after I receive it.

I see that Ginny has identified a potential will of Henry Belcher.
Where can I obtain copies of wills? Genes Reunited does not give access to any of the indexes - can such documents be obtained on-line?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Henry William J Belcher
Name: Henry William J Belcher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1a
Page: 78


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
about Henry Belcher <<<<24 Blechyndon St, Latimer Rd Notting Hill
Name: Henry Belcher
Probate Date: 7 Oct 1875
Death Date: 8 Nov 1874
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: Principal Registry

Tp Mary Belcher (Widow) under £50

Have you managed to find the link yet?
I went to the bottom of all my page results and typed in a reply to the post board.
If that has not worked then it looks as if I need to create a new posting.
I cannot find anything to create or resurrect threads!
Regards,
John



John, you have managed to find your thread....hooray! I cant help you at the moment as I am working long hours, but I see others have added info that might be useful for you

I'll check in later when Im back from work

This looks like the only birth that has his first names in the correct order and would be right for the birth date given on the Railway Records Vera found:-

Name: BELCHER, William Henry
Registration District: Chelsea
County: London
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 3
Page No: 51

One of the sub-districts of Chelsea was Kensall Town. Could that be his birth place?

Kath. x

This is one of 3 records of William Henry. Dob is as on original documentation.

1963 ResultsUK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1963
about William Henry Belcher Name: William Henry Belcher
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1851
Age: 18
Residence Date: Jul 1869
Station: Paddington
Company: Great Western
Class Number: 264
Piece: 384
Description: Register of lad clerks No.1 1870-1877


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Vera

Thanks everybody for your help,
I am still fighting with this "Threads" idea and not sure what I am doing!

My problem now is to identify the correct birth certificate info for William Henry Belcher b.1852 as I already have one which I believe to be incorrect where it showed his parents as William Belcher and Mary Collins.
Are you able to pinpoint the correct date of birth for him with Parents of Henry Belcher and Mary Jordan.
Then I will try and order a certificate.
William Henry Belcher married Mary Ann Deacon Power on 19th September 1874.
He was a raiway clerk and superintendant.
He was born in Kentish Town Poplar (I believe) .
He had two children - Leon Belcher whilst living in Acton and he also had William Francis Belcher b. 16.10.1888 in Plaistow, Essex.

I am also trying to establish a possible connection with the famous artist and Royal Academician George FA..Belcher.
He was born on 19.91875 in Marelebone and his parents were Joseph S.Belcher MD b.1834 in Marelebone and Ada (Ida) Jessie H. Blythe, b.1845 in St George in the East, Chelsea.
His parents were married in 1875 in Marelebone.
George F.A. Belcher RA married Joan Harvey.
George F.A. Belcher RA had 4 sisters - Clara, Clare, Caroline and Rose.
He died in 3.10.1947 in Chiddingfold.
His father Joseph resided at St Georges, Hanover Square in 1847, 58 Lewisham Hieghts Rd 1881 and Apsley House, Gloucester in 1891 .
I still cannot find any connection yet to William Henry Belcher b.1852.

Have I activated the thread correctly?
Look forward to hearing from you all,
Regards,
John

Just had a very quick look for his baptism in St Brides. The only one I found was a Maria baptised 18 Aug 1811 to William & Sarah - maybe a sister.

Henry William James died 1874 (FreeBMD) and the estimated birth year is given as 1799. I'll have another look tomorrow when less tired.

BWs
Kim

If it is the one above, the 1851 census gives his birthplace as St Bride's, Fleet Street and wife's as Amersham Bucks

1851 England Census
Name: Henry Belsher
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Belsher
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Bride's Flent St, Middlesex, England [Fleet St?]
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Kensal Green St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: Weycome Cottage

Occupation: Book Bills and General Clerk

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North East
Piece: 1474
Folio: 556
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Belsher 49
Mary Belsher 39 - Amersham, Buckinghamshire <<<<<
Sophia Belsher 13 - Bayswater, Middlesex
Ann Belsher 9 - Kensal Green, Middlesex
Fanny Belsher 7 - Kensal Green, Middlesex
James Richard Belsher 4 - Kensal Green, Middlesex
Elizabeth Ellen Belsher 2 - Kensal Green, Middlesex




Referring to Ginny's marriage find to Mary Jordan. Next door in 1851 is:

1851 England Census
Name: Richard Jordan
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jordan
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Amersham, Buckinghamshire, England <<<<<
Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Kensal Green St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: House

Occupation: Butcher

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North East
Piece: 1474
Folio: 556
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Jordan 42
Mary Jordan 36 St James, London
John Mills 26 - servant; butcher

I tried a search on a father's name of Henry William Belcher and came up with the following baptisms at St Mark's, Notting Hill:

11 May 1864 Ann & Fanny daughters of Henry William (lawyer's clerk) & Mary of 2 Laburnum Villas. Ann born 23 Feb 1842 and Fanny 10 Jul 1845

Sisters???

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Henry William James Belcher
Name: Henry William James Belcher
Spouse Name: Mary Jordan
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 30 Nov 1834
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden

Could this be William with his parents in the 1871 census:-

BELCHER, Henry Head M 70 1801 London - Law Clerk
BELCHER, Mary Wife F 60 1811 Buckinghamshire
BELCHER, Ann Daughter F 29 1842 Middlesex
BELCHER, Eliza Daughter F 21 1850 Middlesex
BELCHER, William Son M 19 1852 Middlesex <<<<
BELCHER, Francis Son M 16 1855 Middlesex
CUNNINGS, Elizebeth Granddaughter F 8 1863 Middlesex

Address:
Walmer Road Laburna Villas, Kensington

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
41 Folio:
103 Page:
19

Kath. x

Just for info

Name: William Henry Belcher
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Deacon Power
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Sep 1874
Parish: All Saints, Notting Hill
County: Middlesex
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Henry William Belcher
Spouse Father Name: William Power

1871 England Census
about William Belcher
Name: William Belcher
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry Belcher
Mother's name: Mary Belcher
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensell Newton
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 41
Folio: 103
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Belcher 70 <<<Law clerk
Mary Belcher 60
Ann Belcher 29
Eliza Belcher 21
William Belcher 19
Francis Belcher 16
Elizabeth Cammer 8


On William' marriage his father is listed as a clerk

Hi there John - welcome to the boards - I'm not having much luck with this yet!!!

Is this the right family in the 1881 census:-


BELCHER, William Head Married M 29 1852 Railway Clerk Kentish Town Middlesex
BELCHER, Mary Wife Married F 24 1857 Kentish Town Middlesex
BELCHER, Leon Son Single M 5 1876
Acton Middlesex

Address:
10, Trafalger Terrace, Ealing With Old Brentford

RG number: RG11
Piece: 1347
Folio: 79
Page: 26

Kath. x

You might need the certificate to find his parents



Births Jun 1851
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BELCHER William Henry Chelsea 3 51