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hi i have a great grandad on the 1871 census but cannot trace him back any further
i would be grateful if you could help

John Ball born 1836 in Bungay Suffolk
Married to Christina Ball born 1838 in scotland

1971 census has them living in deptford london

many thanks

sarah

1871 (Reference)

BALL, John Head M 37 1834 Suffolk
BALL, Christiana Wife F 33 1838 Scotland
BALL, Lasherine Daughter F 10 1861 Suffolk
BALL, Harry Son M 6 1865 Suffolk
BALL, Alfred Son M 2 1869 Kent
BALL, James Son M 0 1871 Kent
MITCHELL, Margaret Sister-In-Law F 32 1839 Scotland

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
745 Folio:
10 Page:
15

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
St Paul Deptford Enumeration District:
23 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Paul Deptford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Henry Street, St Paul Deptford, Deptford County:
London, Kent

Chris :)

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name: John Ball
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 26
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Pakenham, Suffolk
record type: Household
registration district: Thingoe
sub-district: 3 Ixworth
civil parish: Pakenham
county: Suffolk

Have you located the marriage?

1861

BALLS, John J Head Married M 28 1833 Ironmonger Master Employing 1 Boy
Bungay
Suffolk
BALLS, Christina Wife Married F 24 1837
Scotland
BALLS, Catherine Daughter F 0 (11M) 1861
Bungay
Suffolk
MITCHELL, Margaret Visitor Unmarried F 25 1836 Drapers Assistant
Scotland
MITCHELL, Catherine Visitor Unmarried F 16 1845 Drapers Assistant
Scotland

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1184 Folio:
131 Page:
10

Registration District:
Wangford Sub District:
1 Bungay Enumeration District:
13 D Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Mary Municipal Borough:
Address:
Broad Street, St Mary, Bungay County:
Suffolk

Chris :)

1861 England Census
about John J Balls
Name: John J Balls
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Christina Balls
Gender: Male
Where born: Bungay, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Bungay St Mary
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England


Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 13d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 1184
Folio: 131
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John J Balls 28
Christina Balls 24
Catherine Balls 11 MO
Margaret Mitchell 25
Catherine Mitchell 16



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1184; Folio: 131; Page: 10; GSU roll: 542770.

Dea x

Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Balls John James Wangford 4a 1033
Mitchell Christiana Wangford 4a 1033
Mitchell Christina Wangford 4a 1033

Chris :)

JOHN JAMES BALLS Marriages:
Spouse: CHRISTIANA MITCHELL
Marriage: 08 SEP 1857 Homersfield, Suffolk, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M098872 1759 - 1875 0919614 Film NONE


Sheet: 00

thank you all thats the definate 1961 census sorted can any one trace further back for me

kind regards
sarah

Father (if known) will be named on the cert

Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Balls John James Wangford 4a 1033
Mitchell Christiana Wangford 4a 1033
Mitchell Christina Wangford 4a 1033
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1861

Name: Christina Balls
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John J Balls
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Bungay St Mary
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England


Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 13d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 1184
Folio: 131
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John J Balls 28
Christina Balls 24
Catherine Balls 11 MO
Margaret Mitchell 25
Catherine Mitchell 16

The marriage certificate will give his father's name and occupation.

hi flick no i havnt got the marriage details thank you so much

kind regards
sarah

?????????????1851

Son in law means STEPSON

Name: John Balls
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Son-in-Law
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Peasenhall, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Peasenhall
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England


Registration district: Blything
Sub-registration district: Westleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Piece: 1803
Folio: 383
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
John Tillett 66
Hannah Tillett 50
John Balls 18
Robert Balls 16
Maryann Balls 14
James Balls 10
George Watson 22
Sarah Watson 20

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1841 England Census
about John Balls
Name: John Balls
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil parish: St Mary Bungay
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Bungay
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1039
Book: 6
Folio: 22
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Balls 40 (Occ: Whitesmith)
Rebecca Balls 35
John Balls 8
Rebecca Balls 5
Mary Ann Balls 14
Maria Balls 11
James Balls 5


1851 England Census
about Rebecca Balls
Name: Rebecca Balls
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Balls
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Walberswick, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Bungay St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 12a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1804
Folio: 100
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Balls 50 (Ironmonger....Master Employing 2)
Rebecca Balls 47
Maria Balls 21
(Residence...Market Place)


Edit:
1871 England Census
about Rebecca Balls
Name: Rebecca Balls
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Balls
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Bungay
Household Members:
Name Age
John Balls 70 (Ironmonger/Whitesmith.....Employ's 3 men)
Rebecca Balls 68
J M D Balls 12 (Grandson)


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Rebecca Balls
Name: Rebecca Balls
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1878
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Wangford
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 492


The Grandson...........

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
Balls John Mitchell Downing Wangford 4a 592

thank you so much to every body

sarahxx

There is this one in the same registration district that he married.

1841

Name: John Balls
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Beccles
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1039
Book: 3
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Balls 30
Harriett Balls 13
William Balls 9
Elizabeth Balls 7
John Balls 4
Joseph Balls 2
Samuel Balls 2 MO

submitted entry, so take with caution:-

John James Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 JAN 1833 Bungay, Suffolk, England
Father: John Balls
Mother: Rebecca

also submitted entries:-

Birth/Christening, 1813 - 1853, Suffolk, England, British Isles
Father: John Balls, Mother: Rebecca

1. Mary Ann Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JAN 1827 Bungay, Suffolk, England
2. Maria Elizabeth Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 AUG 1829 Bungay, Suffolk, England
3. John James Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 JAN 1833 Bungay, Suffolk, England
4. JOHN JAMES BALLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JAN 1833 St Mary'S, Bungay, Suffolk, England
5. MARY ANN BALLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JAN 1827 St Mary'S, Bungay, Suffolk, England
6. MARIA ELIZ. BALLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 AUG 1829 St Mary'S, Bungay, Suffolk, England
7. Maria Elizabeth Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 AUG 1829 Bungay, Suffolk, England
8. John James Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 04 JAN 1833 Bungay, Suffolk, England
9. Mary Ann Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JAN 1827 Bungay, Suffolk, England
10. Maria Elizabeth Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 AUG 1829 Bungay, Suffolk, England
11. Mary Ann Balls - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JAN 1827 Bungay, Suffolk, England

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JOHN BALLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 12 JAN 1826 Southwold, Suffolk, England
Spouse: REBECCA DOWNING

......another submitted entry!


You need to buy the marriage cert. to confirm father's name and occupation.

A tree on ancestry has the same info for parents as I have posted.
They also have this for his parents in 1851

Name: John Balls
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rebecca Balls
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bungay, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Bungay St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Wangford
Sub-registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 12a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1804
Folio: 100
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Balls 50
Rebecca Balls 47 born: Walberswick, Suffolk
Maria Balls 21 born: Bungay, Suffolk