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Lucy Report 25 Nov 2011 23:30

Hi i have been strugling to find any record of nan, i have been searching records for over an hour, the information i have is that she was born in May 1942, she had a sister called Norma who was younger than her. She married my Grandad Derek Tyler in 1962 shows up on Marriages registered in April,May,June 1962, this is the first record of her, i am trying to find out more about her family as we do not know nothing, the only thing we have been told is she could be born in Scotland no one knows if this is true. I would really aperciate anyone helps or pointers to where details are so i get copies of them

Many Thanks



GlitterBaby Report 25 Nov 2011 23:37

Getting a hit on Scotlandspeople for Enie Forder name in 1942

BUT you can not view online Scottish births within the last 100 years

But SP would give the details needed to order the cert

You need credits to view any search results


rootgatherer Report 25 Nov 2011 23:39

If she was born in Scotland then you need the Scotlandspeople website. Pay to view but if you do find her there you need to order her birth certificate as births after 1910 are not available to view online.

Scottish birth certificates give the date and place of the parent's marriage.


Her birth in 1942 seems to be indexed on SP website.


Lucy Report 25 Nov 2011 23:49

Than you for the wesite but i ant seem to navigate it to purchase the birth ctificate, i know this sounds so stupid but where on the site do you need to go, so sorry for sounding stupid i am new to this just want to get every birth certificate from myself up making sure i am following the right family

Many thanks


rootgatherer Report 25 Nov 2011 23:54

First you need to register (free)
You need to spend £7 on 30 credits to view the search results. It only uses 1 credit to view the results. You can then click on order the certificate. (sorry I have no creits at the moment to give your the reference that you need to order the cert.

Do you Know her mother's maiden name?


rootgatherer Report 25 Nov 2011 23:59

Was her sister born in Hammersmith please?

Just wondering if this is her parents marriage/

Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)

Cooper Elsie M James Camberwell 1d 2420
Forder John J Gordon Camberwell 1d 2420
Gordon Ruby G Forder Camberwell 1d 2420
James Alfred G W Cooper Camberwell 1d 2420
Williams Alfred J G Cooper Camberwell 1d 2420

Births Dec 1914 GORDON Ruby G Carash Lambeth 1d 745


Lucy Report 25 Nov 2011 23:59

Oh ok thanks yes i will do that thats great, could not work it out no do not know her mums maiden name whole family a mystery why they moved up to scotland, we think matbe because of ww2, but just a guess

Thank you so much


rootgatherer Report 26 Nov 2011 00:05

Yes, I just wondered if they were evacuated.


Lucy Report 26 Nov 2011 00:12

That could be there marriage my mum ust found out that my nans dad was called john and the dates fit as well i will check this out from the birth certificate i will see if i can find my nans sister normas records that may bring up her mum and dads name she was born n london


rootgatherer Report 26 Nov 2011 00:19

If Norma was born in London then I think that is the marriage. Have a look on FreeBMD for Gordon / Carash births and you may see a connection to family names!


Lucy Report 26 Nov 2011 00:35

I just checked Norma and her mums maiden name was Gordon, where does the Carash come into a bit confused, if her maiden mae was Gordon then she married John and her birth certficate said Carash? PLease help i knew this side of my family was going to be hard lots of skeltons!


Lucy Report 26 Nov 2011 00:36

Oh and thanks for the help on navigating that site i have purchased a copy of the birth certificate, thanks


rootgatherer Report 26 Nov 2011 08:56

Sorry for the confusion. If your Nan's mum was Ruby G Gordon, then it is her mother's maiden name that is Carash. I don't see a Gordon / Carash marriage though so perhaps Ruby had been married before?


Flick Report 26 Nov 2011 09:50

Here's a possible first marriage for the mother........same area as Ruby's birth

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)

Carash Emma Georgina Lambeth 1d 455
GARNER William Henry Lambeth 1d 455

But, no birth reg'n for Emma on freebmd....and no marriage for an Emma G to surname Gordon _____________________________________________________

Ruby's brothers

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)

Gordon Dudley B Carash Lambeth 1d 829

Births Dec 1917 (>99%)

Gordon Norman C Carash Lambeth 1d 422


Flick Report 26 Nov 2011 09:58

Name: Ruby G Forder
Spouse Surname: Vass
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1966
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 627
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Name: Ruby Georgina Vass
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1914
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1976
Age at Death: 62
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 11
Page: 0914


Flick Report 26 Nov 2011 10:05

Name: Dudley B Gordon
Spouse Surname: Cheney
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Camberwell
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2176
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Name: Dudley B Gordon
Birth Date: abt 1914
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1951
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1131


Lucy Report 26 Nov 2011 11:18

My mum remembers that her nan Ruby did have another partner they used to call him Ted, but mum thinks his real name is arthur, also spoke to my nans sister norma and they are really trying to remember anything they can and both said his real name was Arthur but this marriage came after her marriage to Jhn Forder, i knew this side of my family would be tricky lots of divorce and re-marriage

I have also ordered Rubys Birth certificate as well as my nas just to make sure i am following the right path, so far this seems to be

Another note Ruby was a twin and had a twin brother douglas so there date of births must be the same, this may help find the right people

Many thanks to everyone really helping out a newbie


rootgatherer Report 26 Nov 2011 11:55

The marriage that Flick posted.

William Henry Garner, 64, Widower, Pattern Maker, 23 Ballater Road Acre Lane, f. William Garner dec.
Emma Carash, 38, Widow,23 Ballater Rd., f. Joseph Sheffield, Poulterer

Witnesses Joseph Sheffield and Jane Sophia Edwards.


rootgatherer Report 26 Nov 2011 12:04

Now this may be unconnected but I'll post it anyway.

Name: Cedric Thomas Joseph Carash
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Agnes Kilminster
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 20 Dec 1919
Parish: East Dulwich St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Henry Thomas Carash
Spouse Father Name: John Kilminster
Register Type: Parish Register

The witness to that marriage were

Emma Georgina Caplin
Albert Walda(?) Bush

There is then this marriage

Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)

Caplin Henry Garner Camberwell 1d 1635
GARNER Emma G Caplin Camberwell 1d 1635
Harsum Bessie Slark Camberwell 1d 1635
Slark James Harsum Camberwell 1d 1635


rootgatherer Report 26 Nov 2011 12:12

1891 - Emma is living in Croyden where funnily enough there are a couple of Carash births.

Name: Emma G Sheffield
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph Sheffield
Mother's Name: Jane Sheffield
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 596
Folio: 107
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Sheffield 53 (occ looks like Fishmonger)
Jane Sheffield 50
Emma G Sheffield 23
James A Sheffield 14
Margaret G Sheffield 14
Herter L Sheffield 12
Rebekah A Sheffield 6