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One of the children in the 1881 census was born in Tottenham. At this time the reg. dist. for Tottenham was Edmonton, so this could be a possible birth for her:-

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
Wenham Julia Ellen Edmonton 3a 263

but can't seem to find the family in 1891?

Hang on, here's the marriage:-

Jacob Jenkins Oct-Nov-Dec 1869 Whitechapel London
xxxx Francis Riches Oct-Nov-Dec 1869 Whitechapel London
Susannah Rowlands Oct-Nov-Dec 1869 Whitechapel London
xxxx Mary Ann Wenham Oct-Nov-Dec 1869 Whitechapel London

.........so why was Caleb's birth and baptism registered under the name of Wenham?
.........unless he was grandson and not stepson?

Death of George's father:-

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas Wenham
Name: Thomas Wenham
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1864
Registration district: Ware
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 132

......so no reason why she couldn't have married Frances, unless he was married?


and this could very well be his baptism record:-

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Thomas Wenham
Name: Thomas Wenham
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1823
Christening Date: 9 Nov 1823
Christening Place: Weston, Hertfordshire, England
Father's Name: Caleb Wenham
Mother's Name: Peggy

Thanks

Janet

Thanks

Janet

1881
Name: Mary A. Riches
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frances Riches
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Broxbourne
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Stanstead Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Ware
Sub-registration district: Hoddesdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1399
Folio: 93
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Frances Riches 64
Mary A. Riches 53
Martha E. Wenhain 23
Caleb Wenhain 9 - Relation: Step Son

Can't find a marriage for Mary Ann and Frances but on 1881 there is a son Caleb who has the name Wenham, so could be that the couple never married.

Births Sep 1871 (>99%)
Wenham Caleb Ware 3a 235

Name: Caleb Wenham
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 May 1871
Christening Date: 11 May 1890
Christening Place: Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, England
Age at Christening: 18
Father's Name: Wenham
Mother's Name: Mary Ann

Thanks Catherine

1871?

Name: George Wenham
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Stepdaughter (should be step son)
Mother's Name: Mary A Richer
Where born: Hertford; Heath, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Broxbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoddesdon
Town: Hoddesdon
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ware
Sub-registration district: Hoddesdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 164
Piece: 1349
Folio: 87
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Frances Richardson 49
Mary A Richer 43
Elizabeth Wenham 19
George Wenham 16
Martha Wenham 14
Thomas Wenham 10
Frank Richer 7

Lilian in 1911:-

MARTIN, William Head Married M 33 1878 Florist Silverdale Hollington Sussex VIEW
MARTIN, Lilian Wife Married F 43 1868 Home Work Footscray Kent VIEW
WENHAM, Ernest Son Single M 15 1896 Grocer Eltham Kent VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3710 Reference:
RG14PN3710 RG78PN140 RD42 SD4 ED6 SN307

Registration District:
Bromley Sub District:
Chislehurst Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Chislehurst

Address:
6 Jubilee Road Foots Cray County:
Kent

Married for 8yrs. No children

Thank you all for your help, many thanks

Janet

Looks like George died:-
Deaths Dec 1903 (>99%)
Wenham George Thomas 47 Dartford 2a 302


and Lilian remarried:-

Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Baggs Florence Annie Wandsworth 1d 1272
Fidgen Florence Annie Wandsworth 1d 1272
Henry Matthew Wandsworth 1d 1272
Martin William Amos Wandsworth 1d 1272
Wenham Lilian Kate Wandsworth 1d 1272


Births Dec 1855 (>99%)
Wenham George Thomas Ware 3a 145

This birth is more likely to fit the 1861 which Ginny has posted above?

Births Dec 1855
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Wenham George Thomas Ware 3a 145

Dea x

trees on ancestry give

George Wenham
Birth: 1856 - Hertfordshire, England

parents worth checking ?
F: Thomas Wenham

M: Mary Byott

Hello Lindsey,

Thank you for that information, I know George was a florist, so could he have gone under his middle name of Thomas???

1861 England Census
about George Wenham
Name: George Wenham
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Wenham
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wenham
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Amwell, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Broxbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoddesdon
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ware
Sub-registration district: Hoddesdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 4f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 175
Piece: 803
Folio: 80
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Wenham 37
Mary Ann Wenham 33
Eleanor Wenham 7
George Wenham 5
Martha Eliza Wenham 4
Thomas Wenham 8 MO




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Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
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Wenham George William Royston 3a 220

This is the only birth in Hertfordshire that I can see:-

Births Mar 1858 (>99%)
Wenham George William Royston 3a 220

??

George WENHAM Head M Male 25 Hertford Heath, Hertford, England Florist
J. WENHAM Wife M Female 25 Bishops Stortford, Essex, England
E. WENHAM Son Male 2 Waltron Waldon, Essex, England
E. WENHAM Daur Female 6 m Tottenham, Middlesex, England
T. WENHAM Brother U Male 19 Hode On, Hertford, England Florist

Source Information:
Dwelling 7 Laurel Terrace Park Lane
Census Place Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341336
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1380 / 106
Page Number 44

Hello Catherine, can you find anything earlier than that, I am trying to find birth so I can find his parents????

Janet

Marriages Mar 1895 (>99%)
Hodge Nellie Bickel Croydon 2a 377
Nash Lilian Kate Croydon 2a 377
Scott Thomas Edward Croydon 2a 377
Wenham George Croydon 2a 377

..........;;marriage cert. will give his father's name, which will help confirm any census findings.