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HI i have what appear to be 3 brothers living in Lee and Lewisham in Kent c1815 they don't seem to have been born there or in neighbouring villages and then William YORK bc1795 dies in 1832 southwark and his brother Henry bc1803 is living in shoreditch and tower hamlets on the 1841/51 there is also another brother James bc1790. I have tried in vain to find out who there parents were and wondered if there were any settlement records for this time period online that might help?? All 3 marry in lee/lewisham and have children there and give the same or neighbouring addresses on the church records.
many thanks Helenx

Helen, who did they marry and when/where? We might be able to trace something that way. - or have you already seen the marriage records?

For reference, is this Henry in 1841?

YORK, Henry M 35 1806 << Wadding maker
YORK, Sarah F 25 1816
YORK, Anna F 15 1826 Middlesex
YORK, Frances M 15 1826 Middlesex

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Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address: Norfolk Gardens, St Leonard Shoreditch, Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex

London, England, Poor Law Records, 1834-1940

It would appear that William's wife was called Ann and his father was called James.
They married in 1815 at Lee in Kent and on the 11th June 1828 they had six children aged:-
James 11yrs.
William 9yrs
Eliza 7yrs
Jeremiah 4yrs
Charles 2yrs and
Mary 7 wks.
It would appear that on the above date, William was confined in Horsemonger Lane for Debt and Ann and William's father were obliged to make a statement to the Justice of the Peace.
I will try and send a copy by pm.


WILLIAM YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 APR 1816 Lee, Kent, England
Spouse: ANN CLARE


Name: Willm York
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1832
Burial Date: 20 May 1832
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register
Address:- Ship and Mermaid Row


looks like Ann remarried:-

Name: Ann York (widow)
Spouse Name: Henry Jones Brame (widower)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jul 1834
Parish: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

...........but then why was she still York in 1841 census????

Death record:-
Name: Ann Brame
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1842
Registration district: Bermondsey
Inferred County: London
Volume: 4
Page: 16

????
(see below for more details on Henry Jone Brame)

1841
1841 England Census about Ann York
Name: Ann York
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1047
Book: 1
Folio: 33
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann York 40
William York 20
Eliza York 20
Jeremiah York 15
Charles York 15
Ann York 9


Name: William York
[Willaim York]
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1819
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1819
Father's Name: William York
occupation:- Weaver
Mother's Name: Ann York
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- Leather Mills

Name: Eliza York
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1821
Baptism Date: 8 Apr 1821
Father's Name: William York
occupation:- Skin ??
Mother's Name: Ann York
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: Leather Mills

Name: Jeremiah York
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1823
Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1823
Father's Name: William York
occupation:- Weaver
Mother's Name: Ann York
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- Village

Name: Charles York
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1826
Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1826
Father's Name: William York
occupation:- Weaver
Mother's Name: Ann York
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lewisham St Mary
Borough: Lewisham
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- Village

Name: Ann York
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1832
Baptism Date: 6 May 1832
Father's Name: William York
occupation:- Wadding Maker
Mother's Name: Ann York
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- Ship and Mermaid Row

1851 England Census
Name: Jeremiah York
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline York
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Cross Street

Occupation: Wading Traveller

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Piece: 1539
Folio: 24
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Jeremiah York 28
Caroline York 21 born: Horsebydown
Sarah York 1

1861
Hannah York Caroline abt 1832 Lewisham, Kent, England Head Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex (record is damaged, but name is Jeremiah)
Caroline York Hannah abt 1830 Hoesbydum Wife Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex
William York abt 1852 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex
Ann York abt 1853 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex
Charles York abt 1856 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Son Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex
Caroline abt 1858 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch St Leonard, Middlesex

There appears to be 2 Jeremiah Yorks. This ones father is Henry York:-

Name: Jeremiah York
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1830
Baptism Date: 20 Jun 1830
Father's Name: Henry York
Mother's Name: Elizabeth York
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers


1841 England Census about Jermiah York
Name: Jermiah York
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: St Leonard
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 709
Book: 5
Folio: 4
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Jermiah York 13
Henry York 4
Julia York 6 MO
Cranris Groves 60

Other household members:-
Henry York abt 1806 St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex
Occupation:- Wadding Manufacturer
Sarah York abt 1816 St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex
Anna York abt 1826 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex
Frances York abt 1826 Middlesex, England St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex


Name: Jeremiah York
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Occupation:- Wadding Manufacturer
Spouse Name: Ann Turner
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Mar 1850
Parish: Haggerston St Mary
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry York
Occupation:- Wadding Manufacturer
Spouse Father Name: Gavin Turner
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Jeremiah York
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Date of Trial: 3 Jul 1848
Trial Year: 1848
Location of Trial: Surrey, England
Sentence: Fine £10 + ??
Crime: Assault
Date of Execution or Release:
also with him is James York aged 31yrs

Name: Jeremiah York
Date of Trial: 8 Jan 1855
Trial Year: 1855
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 4mths
Crime: Simple Larceny
Date of Execution or Release:

Name: Jeremiah York
Date of Trial: 13 Aug 1855
Trial Year: 1855
Location of Trial: Middlesex, England
Sentence: Imprisonment 12mths
Crime: Simple Larceny
Date of Execution or Release:

1851 England Census about Jeremiah York
Name: Jeremiah York
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Church Street
Town: Church Street
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: West Ham Lane Police Station

Occupation: Wadding Maker

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 1768
Folio: 360
Page Number: 14

............so it looks to be the son of Henry that was the naughty boy.

London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925
Name: Henry Jones Brame
Birth Date: 1804
Admission Date: 1825
Father's Name: John Brame

Name: Henry Jones Brame
Spouse Name: Susannah Grant
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Aug 1826
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Henry Jones Brame (widower)
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Davis
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Oct 1827
Parish: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

ame: Henry Jones Brame
Spouse Name: Ann York
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 15 Jun 1834 - 1st Jun 1834 - 8th Jun 1834
Parish: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Henry Jones Brame
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Occupation:- Fellowship - Porter
Widower
Spouse Name: Ellen Garrod
Widow
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Mar 1843
Parish: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Brame
Register Type: Parish Register
Address:- Dean Street

Name: Henry Jones Brame
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1863
Registration district: Newington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 162

Here's John Brame in 1841:-

1841 England Census about Henry Brame
Name: Henry Brame
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Cross Street

Occupation: Porter

Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1047
Book: 5
Folio: 39
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Brame 35
Henry Brame 12

....only thing I can think of is that the marriage wasn't very successful and Ann left Henry and took back the name of York in 1841 census????

Birth/Christening, 1808 - 1828, England, British Isles
Father: William York, Mother: Ann

JAMES YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1817 Saint Mary, Lewisham, London, England
WILLIAM YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 DEC 1819 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England
ELIZA YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 APR 1821 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England
JEREMIAH YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 AUG 1823 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England
CHARLES YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 19 FEB 1826 Saint Mary, Lewisham, Kent, England


............as you now know the family were living in St.Mary, Newington, Surrey, then I'm wondering if these could be other children, or could at least have some link to the family:-

LOUISA YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 13 NOV 1815
Gender: Female Christening: 12 OCT 1828 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England

CAROLINE YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 08 NOV 1818
Gender: Female Christening: 12 OCT 1828 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England

WILLIAM YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 AUG 1824
Gender: Male Christening: 12 OCT 1828 Saint Mary, Newington, Surrey, England

This family in 1851, so it would be a different family:-
Name: Ann York
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 13 Chesterfield Street

Occupation: House Proprietress

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Piece: 1495
Folio: 325
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann York 60
Mary Ann York 39 born: Southwark, Surrey
Caroline York 32
William York 26
Sarah E Bann 19 - servant

re Brame marriage is there an image to show the fathers name? that would clinch it as Anns father was william. My only connection with the York family yo St Marys is what you have found today until i can find a birth record for the 3 brothers with James and ? as parents i'm not even going to speculate on other members of the family. There are loads of Yorks in the east end and southwark!! have looked on the IGI nad there is nothing showing for any of the brothers with a father James :-(( anyone have the parish records???

many thanks Helenxx

Possible????

HENRY YORK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 08 MAR 1804
Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAY 1804 St George The Martyr, Southwark, London, England

Father: JAMES YORK
Mother: MARY