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Sorry Shirley my pc went down,ive only just got back on,yes it does look like him.

so that 1950 death found looks to be him

Thank you all for your time and effort.

the brother James 1911

WILKES, James Head Married M 48 1863 Tram Washer London Peckham VIEW
WILKES, Annie Wife Married
30 years F 48 1863 London Peckham VIEW
WILKES, George Son Single M 27 1884 Tram Washer London Peckham VIEW
WILKES, Charles Son Single M 22 1889 Slater Laborer London Peckham VIEW
WILKES, John Son Single M 20 1891 Packer London Peckham VIEW
WILKES, Edward Son M 12 1899 School London Peckham VIEW
WILKES, Annie Daughter F 6 1905 School London Peckham VIEW
GEDDES, Charles Boarder Single M 45 1866 Train Washer London Peckham VIEW

HOPE, James Boarder Single M 22 1889 Dealer Post Cards London Peckham >>>>

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2560 Reference:
RG14PN2560 RG78PN86 RD27 SD5 ED17 SN222

Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Peckham North Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Camberwell

Address:
55 Marmont Road Peckham S E County:
London

OK..so Mr Golden 1...

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)

HOPE Golden John Norwich 4b 168

Yes your right with the J Shirley,so could be him.same area too.

sorry no and nothing in marraiges / banns either
maddie

well he was Golden J
1891 census
HOPE, James Head Married M 32 1859 Engineer Fitter
Braintree
Essex VIEW
HOPE, Alice Wife Married F 32 1859
Braintree
Essex VIEW
HOPE, Golden J Son Single M 7 1884 Scholar
Norwood St Brents
Norfolk VIEW
HOPE, Hetty Daughter Single F 6 1885 Scholar
Peckham
London VIEW
HOPE, Leana Daughter Single F 4 1887
Peckham
London VIEW
HOPE, James Son Single M 2 1889
Peckham
London VIEW

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Piece:
479 Folio:
52 Page:
6 Registration District:
Camberwell

Civil Parish:
Camberwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
123, Gorden Road, Camberwell, Peckham County:
London

living Camberwell too at that time

Shirley the name Golden comes down the generations,but yes it could be the other died....oh so confusing.

wonder if they were just living together ??

Marriages Dec 1912
Hope James Ryan Camberwell 1d 1813
RYAN Marion E Hope Camberwell 1d 1813

which would tie with this death
Deaths Dec 1910

Hope Alice 50 Camberwell 1d 463

Jude yes that seems to br later Golden.

Maddie.....any age for Golden on that 1st one with May Winter,?

OK...

"later" Golden

Births Jun 1905 (>99%)
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Hope Golden Henry Croydon 2a 360

do you have a marraige
possibles



BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
MarriageFinder™: Golden Hope married May N Winter Help
Name: HOPE, Golden
Registration District: Help Woolwich
County: London
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Winter
Volume No: Help 1D
Page No: Help 2073

Name: WINTER, May N
Registration District: Woolwich
County: London
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Hope
Volume No: 1D
Page No: 2073
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Name: HOPE, Golden J
Registration District: Help Lambeth
County: London
Year of Registration: 1939
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Gedge
Volume No: Help 1D
Page No: Help 666

Name: GEDGE, Annie A
Registration District: Lambeth
County: London
Year of Registration: 1939
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Hope
Volume No: 1D
Page No: 666

looks like a second marriage for James to Marion as states married 9 years 5 children all living so theirs arefrom Violet downwards.

so looks like they named another son Golden too

very confusing now,thank you for looking,Maddie the death age seems about right,butMarie could also be right !!!!!

According to the original of the 1911, that family had had (their description) 9 children, 5 if which had died leaving 5 alive??

I think the original Golden may have died and they named a younger sibling for him.

James the father had only been married to his present wife for 9 years in 1911.

that is the right family in 1901.

so unmarried in 1901
Name: Golden Hope
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Hope
Mother's name: Alice Hope
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: South Wimbledon
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Wimbledon
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 661
Folio: 45
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
James Hope 42
Alice Hope 40
Golden Hope 19
Hetty Hope 15
Lena Hope 14
James Hope 12
Albert Hope 9
Edward W Hope 2
Alice Hope 6


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 661; Folio: 45; Page:

Hang on, this is the 1901 - it could be the same family?

HOPE, James Head Married M 42 1859 Engineer Braintree Essex
HOPE, Alice Wife Married F 40 1861 Braintree Essex
HOPE, Golden Son Single M 17 1884 Shop Assistant Bicycle Norwich Norfolk
HOPE, Hetty Daughter Single F 15 1886 Firework Maker Peckham London
HOPE, Lena Daughter F 14 1887 General Servant (Domestic) Peckham London
HOPE, James Son M 12 1889 Peckham London
HOPE, Albert Son M 9 1892 Peckham London
HOPE, Edward W Son M 2 1899 Nunhead
HOPE, Alice Daughter F 6 1895 Peckham

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Registration District: Kingston
Civil Parish: Wimbledon

Address: 15, Leyton Road, Wimbledon County: Surrey