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Ive tried to look for any death records over here from 1901 till 1911 when nans mam died. But cant find any that would fit his age. Love to know where he went to.The story nan always told her children was her dad John was sent to San Francisco and was killed in the 1906 earthquake, now if that was true and they had had news back of his death then why on the 1911 census was she still classing herself as married not widow?? She would have been a widow for 5 years but said shes been married for 11??? Wouldnt she have been entitled to widows benefit not sure what it was called in those days.

Elaine


They could have made up a story for the neighbours and friends!


and of course the child would be told the same story, so that she did not inadvertently tell the neighbours and friends otherwise.


I can see a possible scenario here .....................


John marries Annie, possibly only to give her a little bit of respectability..

For whatever reason they did not live together ................. the reason given to neighbours and friends being .............

"we don't have enough room in this house (ie, Annie's parents). It isn't worth them getting a place to themselves because he's being sent over to America by his company. He got a room as close as he could to here."


John then leaves for his new job, which may have been in Canada OR Canada could just have been the way station on the way to the US.

Friends and neighbours are told "Annie is going to join him when he's settled.".


The San Francisco earthquake provides a wonderful reason for her not to leave home ............. but she continues to call herself married because she knows it was just a made-up story.


It's beginning to look as if Annie didn't want to join him, or maybe never ever had the intention. It was just a marriage of convenience.



and maybe the reason that her parents put her child into the orphanage afrer she died was because they had some reason not to want their grandchild ................... they may have considered Annie having to get married as an absolute disgrace, and the child, the "child of sin".




I wonder if John Troop joined the Canadian military to serve in WW1???



There is even one more slight possibility .......... John Troop was not the father, but for some reason agreed to marry Annie to give her some respectability, and the child a name. Maybe he needed money, and her parents paid him????




sylvia

Hi Elaine

I consulted a friend off-site, who does know much more about Canadian records.

This is the email I received from that friend this morning ...........................

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Not in the 1911 at automatedgenealogy.com

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp


Not in WWI at collectionscanada

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php



If he did proceed on to the US and die in the 1906 earthquake, he didn't make it onto any US census so he'd be very hard to find anything about.

His name isn't here:

http://www.sfmuseum.org/perished/index.html
http://www.sfmuseum.org/perished/who49.html

list of victims of the earthquake


To look for him generally in Canada ... marriages and deaths in Ontario and BC are about the only things available ... so it doesn't look too hopeful, I fear.

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sorry




sylvia

SylviaInCanada
Thanks very much for that Im sure he just did a runner and remarried over here to somebody else. I suppose in those days it was easy to say you were single as there wasnt the internet or mobile phones to check up on.
I bet it went on a lot more than is thought of. It would have been easy for a man to say Im off to work and a few hours later be in another part of the country. Men !!! :-|