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Can someone please help find this family. Cannot find a 1891 census on Ancestry for any of the family and its driving me mad

Michael Mahoney born Cork,Ireland abt 1826
Hannah " " Limerick, Ireland abt 1827
Johanna " St.Giles London middx 1856
Hannah " " abt 1857
Amelia " " abt 1869
Michael abt 1870
Alice Maria " " " 1867
Thomas " " 1864

1881c is typed up as Marion but I think it is possibly Maria, Alice perhaps preferred her middle name?
All I have been able to do is follow 3 of this family.

I shall be so grateful for help before my head explodes!

Thank you
Rose

Sorry, forgot to mention that spouse Hannah turned to Ann from 1881
presume its bcos of Johanna and Hannah.

Hello Reggie,
Ann, I found just one in Shoreditch workhouse but someone has her on their tree with another spouse and children etc.and I havent been able to find another Ann or Hannah. Her death was 1901.

The only Michael Mahoney that I have found died 1891 Ireland but I do
not think its the one I am looking for.

There are too many of them thats the problem.

Apologies for not getting back sooner but I was called away.
Thanks
Rose

Hello Reggie

Just been looking up the Johanna you found, sorry to say but its the wrong one as Ive just looked at someones tree and they have all the children etc her maiden name was Landrigan.

Is there another that you came across?

Thank you
Rose

Hello I am confused

Was given Michael Sullivan as married to Johannah Mahoney. I cannot find the marriage on freeBMD or on Ancestry. What I have found today


1881c 9 Little Wild Street St Giles
Jerh Sullivan 25 Porter London
Johanah 25 "
Danl 2 "
Jerh 2 mths

This is the same street as the Johannah I am looking for in 1881
"

1891 census
Johannah Sullivan (WID) 35 Laundress St Giles
Gerehnih 9
Charles 7
Ellen 5
Thomas 3
Palsez 1

1901 census
Johanna " 43 (Wid) laundress
Daniel 22 market porter
Jeremiah 20 scavenger
Charles 18 greengrocers assistant
Thomas 14 painters labourer
Wm Charles Tanangan 1 nephew
Isabella " 30 waitress

This is obviously all the same family. The Johannah I am looking for is 25 and living in the same street. I cannot find my Johannah after 1881!!

Thank you so much for your help
Rose x

'Given' by whom?

Any evidence from the 'source'?

Ancestry links the 1891 Johannah to Johannah Landrigan

Have you checked anything?

CORRECT names for two of the children are Jeremiah and Patsey

If you'd done some checking, you'd have found

SULLIVAN, THOMAS LANDRIGAN
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 625

SULLIVAN, PATRICK LANDRIGAN
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 600

This would appear to be the 1881 census for the family

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
26, Little Wild Street, St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury, St Giles, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
M Mahoney Head Married Male 55 1826 Higgler ? (Hawker) Cork, Cork, Ireland
Ann Mahoney Wife Married Female 54 1827 - -
James Mahoney Son Single Male 27 1854 Printer City of London, Middlesex, England
Johanna Mahoney Daughter Single Female 25 1856 Velum Binder City of London, Middlesex, England
Hannah Mahoney Daughter Single Female 23 1858 Office (?) (Csoff) City of London, Middlesex, England
Ellen Mahoney Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Servant City of London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Mahoney Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Servant City of London, Middlesex, England
Marion Mahoney Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Amelia Mahoney Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Michal Mahoney Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

9, Little Wild Street, St Giles in the Fields and St George Bloomsbury, St Giles, London & Middlesex, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jeremiah Sullivan Head Married Male 25 1856 Porter City of London, Middlesex, England
Johanah Sullivan Wife Married Female 25 1856 - City of London, Middlesex, England
Daniel Sullivan Son Single Male 2 1879 - City of London, Middlesex, England
Jerah Sullivan Son Single Male 0 1881 - City of London, Middlesex, England

2 possible marriages for Johanna between 1881 and 1891 - look for births on the GRO site to find the right combination and then on the following census.

Both are on freebmd

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
DEAN Charles Henry H Holborn 1b 972 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
English Anna Maria Holborn 1b 972 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mahoney Johanna Holborn 1b 972
SULLIVAN Michael Holborn 1b 972

<<<<<<<< births in Holborn for this combination

----------------------
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
Haig Clara Anderson Marylebone 1a 1187
Ketchen William Scott Marylebone 1a 1187
Mahoney Johanna Marylebone 1a 1187 <<<<<<<<<<
SMALL James John Marylebone 1a 1187 <<<<<<<<<<

<<<<<<< and in Marylebone for this

What are you asking, Rose?

Which Johanna is the one you're interested in?

Johanna Sullivan (nee Landrigan) , or Johanna Mahoney?

EDIT:
On re-reading the thread, I assume it's Johanna Mahoney ??

The nephew in 1901

LANDRIGAN, WILLIAM CHARLES CLIFFORD
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1221

Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Gilbert Street, St Clement Danes, Strand, London & Middlesex, England


Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Johanna Sullivan Wife Widow Female 35 1856 Laundress London, Middlesex, England
Fredrick Sullivan Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Charles Sullivan Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Ellen Sullivan Daughter - Female 5 1886 - London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Sullivan Son - Male 3 1888 - London, Middlesex, England
Palsey Sullivan Son - Male 1 1890 - London, Middlesex, England

From the 1883 record, Dean married English

Marriages Jun 1871 (>99%)
Creese Thomas Whitechapel 1c 843
Krauss Hubertina Henrietta C Whitechapel 1c 843
MAHONEY Johanna Whitechapel 1c 843
SULLIVAN Jeremiah Whitechapel 1c 843

???

SULLIVAN, EDWARD MALONEY
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 646
SULLIVAN, JAMES MALONEY
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 653
SULLIVAN, MARY ANN MALONEY
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 632

more ??'s
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SULLIVAN, ARTHUR MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR LONDON Volume 01D Page 71

SULLIVAN, EDWARD MAHONEY
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 641

Name: Johanna Mahoney
Estimated birth year: abt 1856******************************
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 26
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 312

MAHONEY, ELIZABETH mms MCNEARY
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 395

MAHONEY, AMELIA mms MACKNAREY
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in ST.GILES Volume 01B Page 532

MAHONEY, THOMAS mms MCNARY
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in ST. GILES Volume 01B Page 461

MAHONY, JOHANNAH mms MACANARY
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01B Page 333


MAHONEY, ELLEN mms MCNARY
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 394

MAHONEY, MICHAEL mms MCNARY
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 395


??

MAHONEY, HONORA mms MACKNALLY
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in ST. GILES & ST. GEORGE Volume 01B Page 373


Johanna Mahoney
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Johanna Mahoney
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Micheal Mahoney
Mother's name: Hannah Mahoney
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Giles
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles South
ED, institution, or vessel: St Giles and Bloomsbury United Parish Workhouse
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 169
Folio: 8
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Micheal Mahoney 34
Hannah Mahoney 33
James Mahoney 7
Hanorah Mahoney 3
Ellen Mahoney 1
Micheal Mahoney 1
Johanna Mahoney 5


Johannah Mahony
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Johannah Mahony
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: London Middlesex England
Civil Parish: St Giles in the Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 465
Piece: 345
Folio: 41
Page Number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Mahony 40
Hannah Mahony 38
James Mahony 17
Hannah Mahony 15
Johannah Mahony 13
Ellen Mahony 11
Elizabeth Mahony 8
Thomas Mahony 6
Alice Maria Mahony 4
Amelia Mahony 1

Arthur in 1901

Name: Arthur Sullivan
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Savivars, London, England
Civil Parish: Farnborough
Ecclesiastical parish: Farnborough St Giles the Abbot
Town: Farnborough
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Bromley
Sub-registration district: Orpington
ED, institution, or vessel: St Joseph and St Anne Orphanage