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1851 Scotland Census
Name: Sarah Giddes
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Giddes
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Parish Number: 596
Civil parish: Kilbirnie
County: Ayrshire
Address: Station

Roll: CSSCT1851_132
Household Members: ame Age
Samuel Giddes 29
Sarah Giddes 28
Willm Giddes 7
Elis Giddes 4
Samuel Giddes 3

this might be too early to be her ?

Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about Sarah Mc Cracken
Name: Sarah Mc Cracken
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 18 Aug 1822
Birth Place: Presbyterian, Dromara, Down, Ireland
Father's Name: Arthur Mc Cracken
Mother's Name: Margaret Craig
FHL Film Number: 496723

Thank you both very much. Unfortunately neither match any information I have.

Who was the GEDDES to whom she was married?

Which of her children was your grandparent?

She married a Matthew Geddes and their son Alexander was my grandfather.

Had Sarah been married before ?


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MATTHEW GEDDES--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH ROGERSON
Marriage: 29 NOV 1861 Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland

What exactly is the information from Sarah's death registration please? Who was the informant? When and where was her son Alexander born?

I think that this is the couple that Mike has found a marriage for above.

Name: Matthew Geddes
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Sarah Geddes
Gender: Male
Where born: Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire
Registration number: 840/2
Registration district: Lochmaben Landward
Civil parish: Lochmaben
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Vine Cottage
Occupation: Ag Lab
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_184
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Geddes 38
Sarah Geddes 29 b. Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire
Jannet Geddes 9
Williamina Geddes 4
Grace Geddes 2

Is this her death please?

1890 MCCRACKEN SARAH GEDDES F 64 MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/08 0163

Yes, this is her death information. Her son, Matthew, was the informant. I have traced his marriage and his sister Margaret's but not their births. Their marriage certificates say their mother's maiden name was McCracken so she wasn't married before. However, Sarah was 14 year's Matthew's senior and they could not have been his as he was born in 1839. They were both married under the name of Geddes which leads me to believe Matthew and Sarah were married before 1869/72 when my grandfather was born - again no birth certificate. I have all the references to him after that.

Mike - I have come up against Sarah Rogerson's name before but as she is younger than Matthew and the children's names don't match anything I have, I don't think this is the family I'm looking for.

Thank you both for your research.

1881 census

Name: Sarah Gaddes
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration number: 644/8
Registration district: Milton
Civil parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 6 Kelvin Street
Occupation: Sewer & Knitter
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 55
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881_232
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Gaddes 65
Anthony McCracken 25

Anthony McCracken
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

maybe tracing Anthiny Mccraken might help

Thanks Vicci. That's an interesting one I haven't come across before. Although she is too old she may be another branch of the family.

Janet, can you tell us the names and approximate years of birth for her children please?

So are we saying that she had at least 3 children, Alexander, Margaret and Matthew?

Remember that it ws not uncommon for children from a previous relationship to take the name of their step father. Also, if they were illegitimate they may have given his name as the name of their father when they married.

Have you found a death for Matthew senior please? Was Sarah "married to" or "widow of" Matthew at the time of her death?

What occupation was given for Matthew on the marriage certificates of Sarah's children please?

Not sure if this helps but it may give an idea of area in Ireland if Anthony McCracken is related to Sarah. Had a quick look at his marriage on SP and this seems to be his parents marriage.

Groom's Name: James Mccracken
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Easter Morrison
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 17 May 1854
Marriage Place: Banbridge, Down, Ire
Groom's Father's Name: John Mccracken
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Anthony Morrison
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70210-2
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Source Film Number: 101353
Reference Number: 2:3BX42D2

Hello rootgatherer. I'll check through the information you gave me.

With regard to the previous post,

Sarah's death cert says 'widow of' Matthew Geddes, Joiner and Journeyman. She died in Glasgow age 64 but to be truthful I have found so many age discrepancies between birth, marriage and death certs that I think they had no idea of their real birth dates. I only assumed she was born 1826 by subtracting her death date. Assuming this is right, she had my grandfather when she was 43/46 (again a discrepancy in grandfather's marriage and death cert)

The 3 children I am aware of are Margaret (Madge) b 1843/7; Matthew b 1846 and Alexander b 1869/72. Haven't found a death for Matthew Snr. He was alive for Matthew Jnr's wedding in 1866 but deceased for Alexander's wedding in 1895.

I did, however, find a William (not John) McCracken and Sarah McCracken (age 15) in the 1841 census in Glasgow. Wrong father's name but right ages. But then again I have found Janet change to Jean change to Jeannie in the course of a lifetime. Makes it very difficult to piece together.

I have traced the Geddes family right back to 1700 except for this generation and I don't like to be beaten :-D

Many thanks again for all your help.

Hello again. I have been tidying up all the paperwork from my research and would like to know if there is a subtle difference between 'married to' and 'widow of'. Does the 'widow of' indicate that they were not married.

"Married to" usually indicates that the spouse is still alive. "Widow of" or "Widower of" usually indicates that the spouse has pre-deceased the person whose death is being registered. Remember though that the information on ta death entry is only as good as the informant's knowledge.

If you are able to visit the Mitchell Library in Glasgow it may be worth searching the poor relief records. These records are indexed and if Sarah ever claimed poor relief these reords can prove very helpful - especially for Irish ancestors.

Excellent. Thank you very much.

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