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Hi Mike,
Actually I think that's her brother (Edward) on the 1881!

I'm not sure if her parents "split up" - it looks like it from:
1891 census transcription details for: 6, Kenneth Street, Broughton, Salford
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3213 Folio: 103 Page: 38

Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Broughton
CARRUTHERS, William Head Married M 55 1836 Joiner
Cumberland
Upper Town
CARRUTHERS, Isabella Wife Married F 55 1836
Knock
Westmorland
LAMB, Edward Son Single M 27 1864 Builders Labourer
Kendal
Westmorland
JAFFREY, Isabella Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Manchester
Lancashire


You need a road map with these people!

:-D :-D

Maureen

Ahh ... so Ann Jeffrey is NOT the daughter of William Carruthers... I thought it was odd that the 1881 on familysearch showed a boarder at the head of the household.

Her Father was Edward Lamb in the brewery trade. he'd been missed off.

Thanks Maureen

Marie Celeste is right about something not matching up.
I have copies of some birth, marriage & death certificates and have looked at various census.
What i know so far:
My dad is Edward Colin Jeffery & I have traced all of his brothers & sisters & cousins by his uncle William Conway. dad and his siblings were born in south wales / bristol & ' up north' as he would say by virtue of the fact that their dad was a railway worker.
Their father is Charles Trevor Jeffery: born 1906 in Langibby, Pontypool district to parents Charles Edward Jeffery ( a railway fireman) and Lily Ellen Jeffery nee Stephens. i also have a copy of Charles Trevor's death certificate in 1958.
I have a copy of Charles Edward & Lily Stephens marriage certificateI which shows charles' occupation still as being a railway worker but his father's name is stated as John jeffery - occupation baker.
All the census info i have (1901 & 1911)suggests that Charles Edward was born in stockton, durham.
There appears to be family knowledge that his mother was a 'lamb' as i was asked to trace if they are related to the poets.
I then find a birth certificate for a charles edward jeffery 1877 in stockton
with a mother annie jeffery formerly lamb.fathers name charles jeffery ( builder). but where annie signs she first writes jeffery bu then changes it to jeffrey.
the next link appears to be charles and annie's wedding certificate ( which i have a copy of showing them aged 21 and 18 respectively, both living in stocton and dated only 3 months before the birth of charles edward in 1877. on this certificate the name is spelt jeffrey. & they have both had a mark put for their signature. this is where i got the info that annie's dad is edward lamb an innkeeper.

can i ask how did you get hold of railway employye records because i'd like to follow that up for my grandfather charles trevor and great grandfather charles edward.
:-D

The 1881 that Mike posted on FMPast has:

1881 census transcription details for: 109, Charlotte St, Broughton
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3956 Folio: 115 Page: 7

Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Broughton

LAMB, Edward Head Single M 17 1864 Brewery Man
Westmorland
Westmorland
CARRUTHERS, William Boarder Head Married M 45 1836 Joiner
Cumberland
JEFFREY, Ann Daughter Married F 22 1859 Laundress
Westmorland
Westmorland
JEFFREY, Isabel Grand Daughter Single F 2 1879
Lancashire
....................
1901 census transcription details for: 6, Kenneth Street, Broughton
RG number: RG13 Piece: 3725 Folio: 97 Page: 40

Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Broughton

LAMB, Edward Head Single M 37 1864 Navvy
Kendal
Westmorland
LAMB, Isabella Mother Widow F 64 1837 Housekeeper (Domestic)
Knock
Westmorland
JEFFREY, Isabella Grand Daughter Single F 21 1880 Paper Bag Maker
Manchester
Lancashire
JEFFREY, Lily Grand Daughter Single F 14 1887
Llandaff
Glamorganshire
Wales
CARRUTHERS, William Boarder Single M 63 1838 Joiner
Carlisle
Cumberland
..........................

1911 census transcription details for: 11 Kenneth Street Broughton Salford
RG14PN23997 RG78PN1382 RD465 SD2 ED21 SN204

Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Broughton
SIMPSON, Frederick Head Married M 32 1879 Fruit Salesman Carlton Lancashire
SIMPSON, Isabella Wife Married
6 years F 31 1880 Hightown Lancashire
JEFFREY, Lily Sister In Law Single F 25 1886 Cook - In Restaurant Landaff Cardiff
SIMPSON, Annie Daughter F 5 1906 School Manchester Lancashire
SIMPSON, Frederick Son M 3 1908 Manchester Lancashire
SIMPSON, Edward Son M 2 1909 Manchester Lancashire
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Marriages Sep 1902
Bright Henry Cardiff 11a 693
JEFFERYS Annie Cardiff 11a 693
...........
1911 census transcription details for: 14 Ludlow St Cardiff
RG14PN32163 RG78PN1847 RD588 SD4 ED31 SN345

Reg. District: Cardiff Sub District: West Cardiff
BRIGHT, Henry Head Married M 57 1854 Patebill Fuel Worker Glamorgan Cardiff
BRIGHT, Ann Wife Married F 52 1859 Milburn Westmoreland
JEFFREY, William Stepson Single M 20 1891 Fireman Tug Boat Glamorgan Cardiff
JEFFREY, James Stepson Single M 18 1893 Fireman Tug Boat Glamorgan Cardiff
>>>SIMPSON, Isabella Grandchild F 4 1907 Manchester

Maureen

That 1891 is very interesting!!!

Just playing around with names and places:
Marriages Dec 1858
Atkinson Isabella E Ward 10b 838
Lamb Edward E Ward 10b 838
................
1861 census transcription details for: Fox & Hunds, Warcop, Warcop
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3958 Folio: 8 Page: 9

Reg. District: East Ward Sub District: 2 Kirkby Stephen
LAMB, Edward Head Married M 29 1832 Victualler
Warcop
Westmorland
LAMB, Isabella Wife Married F 26 1835
Long Marton
Westmorland
LAMB, Margaret Daughter F 0 (11M) 1861
Warcop
Westmorland
BRADLEY, Dorothy Visitor Widow F 77 1784 Landed Proprietor
Warcop
Westmorland
.......
1861 census transcription details for: Milburn, Milburn
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3957 Folio: 41 Page: 2

Reg. District: East Ward Sub District: 1 Appleby
ATKINSON, John Head Married M 60 1801 Lead Miner And Farmer Of 20 Acres
Warcop
Westmorland
ATKINSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1805 Farmers Wife
Dufton
Westmorland
ATKINSON, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 22 1839 Farmers Daughter
Knock
Westmorland
ATKINSON, Christopher Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Farmers Son
Knock
Westmorland
ATKINSON, John Son M 14 1847 Farmers Son
Knock
Westmorland
>>>LAMB, Anne Granddaughter F 2 1859
Milburn
Westmorland


Maureen

Could this be the Annie married to John from 1891

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Household:1881

William CARRUTHERS Boarder (Head) M Male 45 Cumberland, England Joiner
Ann JEFFREY Daur M Female 22 Westmorland, England Laundress
Isabel JEFFREY Grandaur Female 2 Lancashire, England


Dwelling 109 Charlotte St
Census Place Broughton In Salford, Lancashire, England

What was Charles occupation ?

There's something not matching up. This railway record has the same birthdate that Julie stated, but I'd say it was the son I found on that 1891 census:

UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1963 about Charles Edward Jeffery
Name: Charles Edward Jeffery
Age: 16
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1877
Residence Date: 20 Jul 1894
Station: Cardiff
Company: Great Western
Class Number: 264
Piece: 42
Description: Nos.6001-6250 [c.1896-1897] Registers of drivers and firemen, showing date of entering service, promotions, type of work, fines etc.

reference only

Charles Jeffrey Apr-May-Jun 1877 Stockton Durham
View Record Annie Lamb Apr-May-Jun 1877 Stockton Durham

Don't know if this 1891 is connected, it was the son that I found, with the same mother's name:


JEFFREYS, John Head Married M 45 1846 Print Cleaner Glyn Ceiriog Denbighshire VIEW
JEFFREYS, Annie Wife Married F 31 1860 Sandford Westmorland
JEFFREYS, Charles E Son M 12 1879 Scholar Stockton on Tees <<
JEFFREYS, Lilly Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Cardiff
JEFFREYS, John Son M 2 1889 Cardiff
JEFFREYS, William Son M 1 1890 Cardiff

Registration District: Cardiff
Civil Parish: St John Cardiff
Municipal Borough: Cardiff

Address: 12, Cross Street, St John Cardiff, Cardiff County: Glamorganshire

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
Jeffery Charles Edward Stockton 10a 57

Where was Charles Edward born?

As for the births of his parents - they may simply not have been registered. Until 1875, there weren't any penalties for not registering

Hello Julie, and welcome to the boards.

Have you been able to find them on any census to establish birthplaces?

Do you know of any other children they had? (Sometime we need to come forward in time to be able to work back).

Hi I'm trying to trace my father's family tree and have mangaged to go back as far as the marriage of Charles and Annie in 1877. at the time of their marriage 18.06.1877 charles was 21 and annie was 18. they had a son on 03.09.1877 named charles edward. they are listed as living in stockton. also from the wedding certificate i have been able to determine that annie's father edward lamb was an innkeeper. i can't find any trace of charles and annie in the 1881 census; nor can i find any trace of their births. can anyone help as i've ground to a halt and been stuck on this for a few months now :-0