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You have missed the T off twin, I was scratching my head for a bit, sorry.
If their mother was married at the time, they were not illegitimate?
Have you got Edith's exact date of birth?

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No twins?
1911
1911 England Census
Henry James Smith Age in 1911: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male Birth Place: Lambeth, Surrey
Civil parish: Great Clacton County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Levington Terrace, St Osyth Rd, Clacton On Sea, Essex Marital Status: Married Years Married: 15 Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Occupation: Brick Layer Registration district: Tendring
Registration District Number: 197 Sub-registration district: Clactonn ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 424 Piece: 10231

Henry James Smith 38
Ellen Maud Smith 40
Beatrice Harris Smith 19
Henry James Smith 12
Edith Smith 8
Ellen Maud Smith 7
William Ernest Smith 5
William Edward Smith 40

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 10231; Schedule Number: 424.


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These two?
Births Dec 1902
SMITH Edith Alverstoke 2b 526
Smith Florence Alverstoke 2b 526

Patchem This is the familyIam looking for ,Just EdithEllen wasmarried to a Royal Marrine Sargeant Major who was abroad on a war ship , Sometime between Sept 1902 and 19085 the twins were seperated Edith stayed with her Mother and Florence(my Mum -in law0 went with her father who abandoned her and a mrs Morgan took her in Iam trying to find aany info on Edith Gladys

As Edith Smith is such a common name, what is her exact date of birth?

She is in 3 people's trees on here (including yours) have you contacted the other two?

How do you know that she married? She could have died just after 1911?

looks like her mother died -


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

Name: Ellen M Smith
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: Tendring
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 627

For info:-

1911 England Censusabout Florence Smith
Name: Florence Smith
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Adopted Child
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Gosport, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 95 Lancaster Road, Southsea
Occupation: School
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 224
Piece: 5598
Household Members: Name Age
Henery Arthur Morgan 34
Mary Elizabeth Edward Morgan 35
Henry Arthur James Morgan 6
Cyril Herbert David Morgan 2
xxxx Florence Smith 8 xxxx
Edith Alice Mary Marshall 2/12
Mary Ann Stephens 82
Arthur Reginald Marshall 15

............this looks to be twin sister Florence?

gping back to 1901 for Arthur Reginald MARSHALL

Arthur R Marshall
Age:
5
Estimated Birth Year:

abt 1896

Relation:

Son

Father's Name:

William Marshall

Gender:

Male

Where born:

Gosport, Hampshire, England

Civil parish:

Alverstoke

Ecclesiastical parish:

Alverstoke St Mary

County/Island:

Hampshire

Country:

England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

Registration district:

Alverstoke

Sub-registration district:

Alverstoke

ED, institution, or vessel:
4
Neighbors:

View others on page
Household schedule number:
189
Piece:
1009
Folio:
88
Page Number:
33

Household Members:
Name
Age
William Marshall 39
William H Marshall 9
Arthur R Marshall 5
Robert V Marshall 3

William Marshall in 1911 - He's described as a widower - police pensioner.

Name:
William Marshall
Age in 1911:
50
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1861
Relation to Head:
Boarder
Birth Place:
Collinghan, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish:
Portsmouth
County/Island:
Hampshire
Country:
England
Street Address:
55 School Lane, Portsmouth
Marital Status:
Widower
Occupation:
Police Pensioner
Registration district:
Portsmouth
Registration District Number:
90
Sub-registration district:
North End and Buckland
ED, institution, or vessel:4
Household schedule number:53
Piece:5482
Household Members:
Name
Age
Reuben Daglish 51
Sarah Louisa Daglish 48
William Marshall 50
Robert Victor Marshall 13

Many thanks to all of you ,Ihad all this info including Ellen Maud ,sbirth in Brightling sea Essex ,have any of you any tips on how to go any further with this search,Gladys

From 1969 an exact date of birth is on the death certificate, so you can use this to look without knowing surname. You can then try to relate this to possible marriages.
For example, I tried with Edith born 8th August 1902, and got 8 possible surnames.
You can then look at whether any of those marriages look possible.
If she died before 1969 then you will get too many hits from year of birth.

Have you looked for any contacts on here?

(EDIT - see Gladys' post below, Beatrice is an unlikely lead, so the following will probably not be helpful in trying to find Edith)

Hi, in terms of looking for contacts, I wondered whether Beatrice Harris Smith might be a lead.

She was born Dunstable approx 1891 according to the 1911 posted above, but there are no contacts under that name.


However, she may have been born Beatrice M(aud*)? Harris, since there is this entry for 1901:

Name: Ellen M Smith
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Brightlingsea, Essex, England

Civil parish: Alverstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: Alverstoke St Mary and Anglesey St Mark and Newtown Christchurch
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Alverstoke
Sub-registration district: Alverstoke
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 1009
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen M Smith 30
Beatrice M Harris 9 (born in Dunstable, Bedfordshire)
May Harris 8 (born in Bermondsey, London)
Henry J Smith 2 (born in Clapham, Surrey)

(EDIT - see Gladys' post below, Beatrice is an unlikely lead, so the following will probably not be helpful in trying to find Edith)

This ties up to this birth registration:

Name: Beatrice Maude Harris
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 397

A possible location for Henry James Smith in 1891:

Henry James Smith
born abt 1872 in Lambeth, Surrey, England
Private (soldier)
at St Thomas, Hampshire (Winchester barracks)

Gladys says that Ellen was born 'Wright'.
Perhaps she has already investigated Beatrice?

Added, ?
Marriages Mar 1904
Smith Henry James Wandsworth 1d 629
Wright Ellen Maude Wandsworth 1d 629

So 33 at marriage, so likely to have been married before?

But twins' birth certificates will have her maiden name.
Except they were born before the marriage, so lies all round?

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Wrong marriage?
1911 census says married 15 years

Thanks Patchem, I agree Gladys may well have already tried this route, but there has been no feedback from Gladys since I first had a look at the thread.

I was just wondering whether Beatrice might be the most likely person to look after Edith after their mother's death.

Certainly I am no further forward (trying either Smith or Harris for Beatrice) for additional contacts to try on the "search trees" on this site. I suppose Beatrice Wright might just be a possibility in that case.

Anyway, I'd better get a few other things done round the house today!

PS Your suggestion about using the exact date of birth to cross-check post 1969 deaths with possible marriages sounds like the best avenue of research at the moment.

This marriage?
Marriages Mar 1896
Lorimer George Lambeth 1d 551
xxxSmith Henry James L Lambeth 1d 551
xxxWilliams Ellen Maude Lambeth 1d 551
Woodward Harriet Mary B Lambeth 1d 551

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Gladys has returned to this thread since the original posting. She could be watching the service.

Oh Patchem, you've tempted me back...

15 years for the length of the relationship is reasonably consistent with the birth of Henry James Smith in Clapham in about 1899 (with the previous child shown on 1901 as May born 1893).

I wonder how the seven children, 1 died is arrived at?

EDIT: but no El*n Williams born in Brightlingsea at the right time, so would need to locate El*n's marriage to a Mr Williams?

I think a few certificates are required (but then, I always do).

Just to add that the marriage in 1904 does tie up reasonably with the ages for the 1911 census:

4 Jan 1904: Henry James Smith age 30 and Ellen Maude Wright aged 32;
2 April 1911: Henry James Smith age 38 and Ellen Maud Smith aged 40.

Many thanks to aall of you for your helyou have given me some ideas to follow up just one question in 1911census Beatrice wasmarked down as feeble min ded would that be a drawback to her being guardian to Edith ?? Gladys