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Thanks for that Jax, I have several that were disabled, run over by a cart & some lost limbs, so may be they will not be shown.

Ann
:-(

I dont suppose it was compulsary to give those details anyway.

Infact they only ask if there was anyone who was deaf, dumb, blind, imbosile, lunitic or feeble minded...no mention of "cripple" in the 1911 nor on the 1901 that I can see

Thank you very much for looking Jax, that very odd.
Ann
:-S

Household transcription
1911 census

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Person: VANNER, Albert Edward
Address: 101 St Andrews Road Southampton

VANNER, Charles Leonard Head Single M 27 1884 Grocers Assistant Southampton Hants VIEW
VANNER, Susan Mother Widow F 61 1850 Southampton Hants VIEW
VANNER, Albert Edward Son Single M 26 1885 Clerk Southampton Hants VIEW

There is nothing mentioned in the end column to say he had a disability

Please can someone look up the 1911 census for Albert Edward Vanner born 1885 pos with his mother Susan born 1851 & brother Charles L born 1883, all born Southampton, I have found a newspaper report that said Albert was “a cripple” I hope there is info to say if it was an accident or born like that.
Thank you,
Ann

Thank you very much Ian that is very helpful.
Ann

do you have his probate details?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about George Harpwood Vanner
Name: George Harpwood Vanner
Probate Date: 18 Feb 1929
Death Date: 2 Feb 1929
Death Place: Cheshire, England
Registry: Manchester, England

Vanner George Harpwood of Holly Grove Northenden Road Sale Cheshire died 2 February 1929 Administration Manchester 18 February to Vera Gwendoline Vanner widow Effects £316 3s 7d

You're welcome Ann

here's the 1911 census for Vera

Address: 9 Ribolean Street Ryde

GAWN, Tom Head Married M 37 1874 Coachman Cab Driver Ryde I of W
GAWN, Blanche Wife Married6 years F 37 1874 Laundress Ryde I of W
YOUNG, Vera Stepdaughter Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic Ryde I of W

Thank you very much Ian.
George Harpwood died on Feb 2nd 1929 aged 42 he is interred in Brooklands Manchester & is commemorated on his mother & father in-law gave, that is a long way from his home on I.O.W, I wonder what he was doing you there?

Please can someone look for his wife to be “Vera Young age 18 Ryde I Of W, Hampshire “possible living with her mother
Blanche L & step father Tom Roland Gawn.
Thank you Ann

will pm you the images

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941
Last name:VANNER
First names:George Harpwood
Age:
Day of birth:2
Month of birth:September
Year of birth:1886
Place of birth:Ryde
County/country of birth:Isle of Wight
Card type:CR10
Discharge number:700620
Identity certificate no.:844676
Series:BT350
Date range:1918-1921
Piece number:



Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name:VANNER
First names:George Harpwood
Age:
Day of birth:
Month of birth:
Year of birth:1886
Place of birth:Ryde
County/country of birth:Isle of Wight
Card type:CR1
Discharge number:700620
Identity certificate no.:
Series:BT349
Date range:1921-1941
Piece number:

After searching all the indexes I have found "
George Harpwood VANNER 1886 700620 Ryde Isle of Wight, in Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941 FMP."
please can someone look to see if there is any more info, he must have been at sea in the 1911 census.
Ann

Oh blow !, thank you for looking Jax ,
I have her in the 1881 census with mum & 1891 with mum & William G Vanner as Lilly D [Daisy] Vanner I haven’t found her after that in any combination of names or spelling apart from that marriage!!
Thanks,
Yes, Frances died in1933,
Ann

I dont think she is your Lily

1891 England Census
about Lily Chessell
Name: Lily Chessell
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John David Chessell
Mother's Name: Victoria Chessell
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Pallance

Civil parish: Northwood
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Isle Of Wight
Sub-registration district: Cowes
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 885
Folio: 24
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
John David Chessell 33
Victoria Chessell 28
Albert Chessell 1
Lily Chessell 7
May Chessell 4
Jane Ann Chessell 57
Alice M Calloway 12
Ann Calloway 10

1911 England Census
about Lily Hodges
Name: Lily Hodges
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Northwood, Isle of Wight, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Northwood
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Pallance Lane, Northwood Near West Cowes, I Of W
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 5
Estimated Marriage Year: 1906
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Registration District Number: 93
Sub-registration district: Cowes
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 5681
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Hodges 30
Lily Hodges 27

It is possible they got the single part wrong...but that maybe what he told them

Have you got your death dates mixed up?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Frances A Vanner
Name: Frances A Vanner
Birth Date: abt 1853
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1933
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 1168

Thank you very much LindaB, Jax, Margee & sylvia that is all very helpful.

That is very odd about William G Vanner , I had thought he may have in the Workhouse as a Patient ,but you say he was not, may be he got drunk once to often & she kicked him out ;-) could they could have made a mistake in saying he was single?

William George VANNER died in1932 & is buried St John's Church Ryde his address was given as Woodvale Cottage, High St, Oakfield, so he must have come out of the workhouse his wife died1923 her burial Address is 15 High St, Oakfield Ryde.

Frances had a daughter before she married William, I found only one marriage for lily CHESSELL to Albert Edward
Hodges, I found him in the 1911 census index, please can someone look him up.
Again thanks to all.
Ann

There is nothing in the end column on FMP and it is transcribed as Vanner

That could indeed be William in the Workhouse ....................... William in 1891 was a Bricklayer's Labourer, so the occupations match, as well as age and birth year.


The disability column is still whited out on ancestry ....... so there is no knowing what he was suffering from. But he is shown as Inmate, not Patient as are some others.

This, I think, is an indication that he was not in the hospital section of the Work House.


Ancestry does have him on the Record Sheet as Vanier ........... but it is indeed Vanner on the census image.



It would probably be worth your buying that death certificate to see who recorded hi death.



It may be that the marriage broke down, and he left Frances, ending up in the Work House while plying his trade.





sylvia

This is the 1911 Census for the Vanner family that you spotted in the 1911 Index

1911 Census

Name: Francis Vanner
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oakfield
Civil parish: St Helens
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Woodvale Cott, High St, Oakfield, Ryde
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Isle of Wight
Registration District Number: 93
Sub-registration district: Ryde
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 283
Piece: 5727

Francis Vanner 58
Edmund Vanner 26 b.ca 1885, Oakfield, Son, Single, Contractors Labourer
Elsie Vanner 21 b.ca 1890, Oakfield, Daughter, Single, Domestic Servant
Percy Vanner 18 b.ca 1893, Oakfield, Son, Single, Grocers Assistant
Mary Osmond 5 b.ca 1906, Ryde, Nurse Child



From the image ...............

Francis (or whoever filled out the form) first put Wife for her Relationship to Head of Family, then that was crossed out and replaced with Head


6 Children born, 5 still living




sylvia