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Another pm from Susan.

This is definitely my gt grandparents and the little girl Jessie was my grandmother.
So sorry, but how will I go about buying the marraige cert,
I have also joined Scotlands people site and managed to find out a bit more.
Thank you so much for your help.


As her MC will only have her father's name on, I would get Jessie's birth certificate instead. This can be ordered from https://www.gro.gov.uk.


Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: HUNTER, Jessie
Registration district: Lanchester
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1904
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 325


I think this is her birth. You can also buy her marriage certificate from the same place.

I agree, get the certificate and there are potentially better/more facts - but this is why I am losing the plot - according to the earlier post from Margee (6 Aug) on another thread Susan referred to information on the certificate - and I thought it was for the marriage between her grandmother and Henry Harkness.

If Thomas and Jessie were married in Croydon in 1898 (perhaps 1/4/1898 or 2/4/1898) then the 13 years would just fit - or they just rounded it up a bit! I can go with the Windsor birth - maybe Thomas in Durham didn't know where he was born on later census returns.

That is really interesting, especially as they were married in 1898, the 1911 says they had been married 13 years.
The downside is, I think this is probably Thomas.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Thomas Briggs Hunter
Name: Thomas Briggs Hunter
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1873
Registration district: Windsor
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 413

Susan really needs to get that marriage certificate.

Have rather lost the plot on this, but think that you are looking for your grandmother (Jessie Hunter born in 1905) whose parents are Thomas (b 1875) and Jessie (b 1873). I know that it is out of the Durham area but.......1898 and Maggie Hunter was born in 1898!!!!

If so could this be their marriage:
Name: HUNTER, Thomas Briggs

Registration district: [?] Croydon

County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1898
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name Not available before 1912
Volume no: [?] 2A Page no: [?] 634
MarriageFinder™: [?]

>>>>>>>>>Thomas Briggs Hunter married one of the following people

HAYWARD, Annie Gertrude

.>>>>>>>>>>>WALKER, Jessie Elizabeth


BOND, Alfred James

1901 census transcription details for: 15, Beamish Street, Stanley
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 4665
Folio: 29
Page: 50
Reg. District: Lanchester
Sub District: Tanfield
Parish: Stanley
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: Beamish St Andrews
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 15, Beamish Street, Stanley
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
SMITH, Cuthbert Wm Head Married M 40 1861 Railway Platelayer
Newcastle on Tyne
SMITH, Jessie Wife Married F 45 1856
Scotland
>>HUNTER, Jessie Visitor Married F 26 1875
Scotland
>>HUNTER, Maggie Visitor F 3 1898
Scotland
BATES, Mowbray Boarder Married M 22 1879 Blacksmith
Stanley, Durham
BATES, Catherine Boarder Married F 21 1880
Scotland
BATES, Jessie F 0 (5 MOS) 1901
Stanley, Durham

Here's a Jessie that matches but you really do need the MC.

1911 census transcription details for: 8 Beamish Street Stanley
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN29852 RG78PN1729 RD550 SD1 ED1 SN136
Reg. District: Lanchester
Sub District: Tanfield
Parish: Stanley
Enum. District: 1
Address: 8 Beamish Street Stanley
County: Durham
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HUNTER, Thomas Head Married M 38 1873 Colliery Fireman Bank Glasgow Scotland Resident
HUNTER, Jessie Wife Married
13 years F 36 1875 Glasgow Scotland Resident
HUNTER, Margaret Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Glasgow Scotland Resident
HUNTER, Jessie Daughter Single F 6 1905 School West Stanley Durham
HUNTER, Violet Daughter Single F 3 1908 West Stanley Durham
HENDERSON, George Boarder Single M 36 1875 Coal Miner Hewer Hamilton Scotland Resident

It shows her children with Hunter as mums maiden name.

Maryb.

From Susan's new thread:

Susan Report 6 Aug 2012 20:35
I added a post confused about my grandmother, but I put the wrong date in. She was born Jessie Hunter in Co Durham 1905,
she married my grandfather Henry Harkness in 1921, Houghton le Spring. On the certificate it states her name as Jessie Hunter OR Briggs.

Susan, you did say originally that she was 23 when she married. I presumed from that that you had the marriage certificate. Evidently not. You really need to buy it to get her age and her father's name.

From new thread:

I added a post confused about my grandmother, but I put the wrong date in. She was born Jessie Hunter in Co Durham 1905,
she married my grandfather Henry Harkness in 1921, Houghton le Spring. On the certificate it states her name as Jessie Hunter OR Briggs

Susan - what children did they have? If you look on FreeBMD it should show her actual maiden name. Was she really only 16 at marriage?

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1885 HUNTER Thomas St John Preston IDDON ST.J/15/68
1887 HUNTER Elizabeth Ann St John Preston IDDON ST.J/18/35
1888 HUNTER Mary Ellen St John Preston IDDON ST.J/21/48

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HUNTER Leonard IDDON Mary Ann Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston PRESTON/80/134

Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)

Hunter Leonard Preston 8e 895
IDDON Mary Ann Preston 8e 895

1911 for the family shown in 1901


Person: HUNTER, Jessie Address: 5 Cheviot St Preston

HUNTER, Leonard Head Married M 51 1860 Ship Plater Rivetter Preston Lancashire VIEW
HUNTER, Mary Ann Wife Married26 years F 50 1861 Preston Lancashire VIEW
HUNTER, Elizabeth Ann Daughter Single F 24 1887 Epaulette Maker Preston Lancashire VIEW
HUNTER, Mary Ellen Daughter Single F 22 1889 Cotton Weaver Preston Lancashire VIEW
HUNTER, Margaret Daughter Single F 20 1891 Cotton Weaver Hartlepool Durham VIEW
HUNTER, Florence Daughter Single F 17 1894 Cotton Weaver Hartlepool Durham VIEW
HUNTER, Jessie Duaghter F 13 1898 School Part Time Cotton Weaver Hartlepool Durham VIEW
HUNTER, Edith Daughter F 9 1902 School Hartlepool Durham VIEW
HUNTER, Martha Daughter F 6 1905 School Hartlepool Durham VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 25308 Reference: RG14PN25308 RG78PN1448 RD476 SD4 ED5 SN133 Registration District: Preston Sub District: West Preston Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Preston

You refer to a marriage licence.............do you mean the marriage cert?

If so..........what is her status?

And who is named as her father?

It just means that she was known by both names. She could have been living with someone else and used his name, or, she could have been illegitimate and one of the names was her birth name and one her stepfather or real father's name which she took on as she was growing up. There are lots of reasons why someone used more than one name.

Kath. x

MarriageFinder: Henry Harkness married Jessie Briggs
Name: HARKNESS, Henry
Registration district: Houghton Le Spring
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1921
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's last name: Hunter Or Briggs
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 1016A


Name: Jessie Briggs
Spouse Surname: Harkness
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration district: Houghton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1016a


I think you need to buy this to find out who her father was.

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1901 England Census

Name: Jessie Hunter
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Leonard Hunter
Mother's Name: Mary A Hunter
Gender: Female
Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England

Civil parish: Throston
Ecclesiastical parish: Hartlepool Holy Trinity
County/Island: Durham

Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool

Leonard Hunter 41
Mary A Hunter 40
Thomas Hunter 15
Elizabeth Hunter 14
Mary E Hunter 12
Margaret Hunter 10
Florence Hunter 7
Jessie Hunter 3

What is her father's name?
Jan

???

Jessie Hunter
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 1898
christening: 1898 HARTLEPOOL &? THROSTON,? CORPORATION RD. WESLEYAN METHODIST,? DURHAM,? ENGLAND
residence: 1898 Hartlepool,? Durham,? England
parents: Leonard Hunter,? Mary Ann


name: Jessie Hunter
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1898
baptism/christening place: HARTLEPOOL & THROSTON, CORPORATION RD. WESLEYAN METHODIST, DURHAM, ENGLAND
birth date: 1898
father's name: Leonard Hunter
mother's name: Mary Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C16336-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1546293

Married 1921 and you say she was 23 so born 1898.