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A note on sources:

I'm guessing Ann's baptism came from:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

Mike's post of:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1906
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TURNER William RIDGARD Louisa B Salford St Luke Salford C33/4/188
came from http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Salford St Luke was more commonly known as Weaste St Luke, and Barbara's post comes from:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

There's also another collection at FS, namely:
England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910
This collection is only partly indexed, and sometimes you have to browse images to find your target - then it's very helpful to note the entry#=188 embedded in Mike's post. However, in this case, it is indexed, and you can get the image of Mabel's parents' m.cert via:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMR5-T68

Thats wonderful, Yvette , I am so pleased.

Yes Ann, it was your post of the baptism, what a great find, I am sure without that we wouldn't have found the rest so easy, thank you.

Best wishes
Barbara xx

If that 1911 census is right there is this matching death for father William.

Deaths Mar 1942 (>99%)
Turner William 87 Salford 8d 713

and the probate to go with it:

died 8 Jan 1942 at 19 Pembroke St Salford. Administration to RobertTurner of no occupation.

pleased for you that that baptism sparked off all that info for you and that you were able to confirm it was correct.

Good hunting with the rest.

Thanks Barbara, this is the right Mabel, and I have actually just spoken to her grandaughter who has confirmed a lot of the info, even though she only new half of it.So grateful.
Yvette xx :-D

Hi Yvette
Thank you for your thanks to us all, and I do hope it is the right Mabel for you,

To be really sure you really could do with Mabel's marriage cert, without that all the info may be wrong !!

Someone on Ancestry has Albert in their tree --but no wife recorded, they have his death as


Name: Albert Vernon Mellor
Birth Date: 27 Sep 1905
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1974
Age at Death: 68

Registration district: Trafford

Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 39
Page: 1944

Now I am wondering ---did Mabel move back to Salford before she died, or have we the wrong death index for your Mabel !!

Hope you can see why the marriage cert is is so important, It will give Mabels age and fathers name and occupation --to verify (or not) that we are on the right track for your Mabel.

Best wishes
Barbara xx

Oh my gosh , I can't believe all this has been going on whilst I,ve been asleep. Don't know how to thank you all for your amazing help. I can't wait to get stuck in now , now that you helped me over that 'brick wall' !!
very grateful Yvette xx :-D

Marriage

Day:26
Month:Dec
Year:1892
Groom forename:Edward James
Groom surname:RIDGARD
Groom's residence:of S Thomas Ardwick Manchester
Groom's condition:bac
Groom's occupation:butcher
Groom's age:25
Groom's father's forename:Thomas
Groom's father's surname:
Groom's father's occupation:railway inspector (deceased)
Bride forename:Louisa Bertha
Bride surname:HILLS
Bride's residence:otp
Bride's condition:sp
Bride's occupation:[blank]
Bride's age:25
Bride's father's forename:George
Bride's father's surname:
Bride's father's occupation:farmer
By Licence:by banns
Place:Burwell
County:Cambridgeshire,England
Witness 1 forename:George Jabez
Witness 1 surname:MASON
Witness 2 forename:Margaret Emily
Witness 2 surname:MASON
Record source:Cambridgeshire Marriages
Data provider:Cambridgeshire Family History Society

Chris :)

1871
HILLS, George Head M 30 1841 Cambridgeshire
HILLS, Sarah Wife F 29 1842 Cambridgeshire
HILLS, Alethea L Daughter F 7 1864 Cambridgeshire
HILLS, Louisa B Daughter F 4 1867 Cambridgeshire
HILLS, Harry G Son M 1 1870 Cambridgeshire
Piece: 1597
Folio: 40
Page: 30
Registration District: Newmarket
Civil Parish: Burwell
Municipal Borough:
Address: North Street, Burwell
County: Cambridgeshire

1891
BROWN, Richard Head Married M 27 1864 Butcher
Manchester, Lancashire
BROWN, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 25 1866
Cheetham, Lancashire
BROWN, Margaret A Daughter Single F 4 1887
Broughton, Lancashire
HILLS, Louisa B Domestic Servant Single F 23 1868
Birtwell, Cambridgeshire
CHRISTIAN, Margaret A Domestic Servant Single F 27 1864
Isle of Man
Piece: 3240
Folio: 113
Page: 10
Registration District: Manchester
Civil Parish: Manchester
Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 8, Cateaton Street, Manchester
County: Lancashire

Reposting Barbara's 1911 with more detail

1911 England Census
Civil parish: Pendleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Pembroke St Seedley
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 23943 [House Schedule # 81]

William Surner[Turner] 56 Liverpool, Lancashire Head M Gas Dorks[Works] Foreman
Louisa Bertha Surner 44 Burwell, Lancashire[Cambridgeshire] M
Bobert Surner 26 Bootle, Lancashire Son S Steam Engine Fitter
Maud Surner 24 Bootle, Lancashire Daughter S
Harry George Ridgard 17 Salford, Lancashire Son S Law Clerk
Bertram Hills Ridgard 15 Salford, Lancashire Son S Boiler Insurance Clerk
William Surner 20 Salford, Lancashire Son S Gas Works Labor Irer[Labourer]
Charles Surner 14 Salford, Lancashire Son Electric Engineer Errand Boy
Mabel Surner 2 Salford, Lancashire Daughter
[Marr 5 y; 1 live birth 1 still living]

I wasn't too sure as it says Louise Bertha on marriage to Edward but everything else fits, so maybe just a mistake on the "e" and "a" .

Hope these are the right parents for the Mabel that Yvette is looking for :-)

Births Sep 1866
Hills Louisa B - Newmarket 3b 511

Mmmm ? ......think you're right


1881

name: Louisa Bertha Hills
age: 14
gender: Female
birth year: 1867
birthplace: Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England
relationship to head of household: Daughter
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation:
address: High Town (White Horse Inn)
census place: Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England



George Hills 40 Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England

wife Sarah Hills F 39 Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England

daughter Alethea Hills 17 Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England

daughter Louisa Bertha Hills - 14 Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England

Hi Mike, I thought maybe this one ?

Marriages Dec 1892

Goodchild Lydia Newmarket 3b 1229
HILLS Louise Bertha Newmarket 3b 1229 >>>>>>>
Murton John Newmarket 3b 1229
Ridgard Edward James Newmarket 3b 1229 >>>>>>>

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Deaths Dec 1901

Ridgard Edward James 35 Salford 8d 132
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1901 census ?

1901 England Census 1901 England Census
Name: Louisa B Ridgard
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward J Ridgard
Gender: Female
Where born: Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Salford Stowell Memorial
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 212
Piece: 3739
Folio: 106
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Edward J Ridgard 35
Louisa B Ridgard 35
Harry G Ridgard 7
Bertram H Ridgard 5
Doris M Ridgard 1 ( bless-- little Doris May died age 1 in june quarter1901)
John Henry Hartley 21


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3739; Folio: 106; Page: 35.

Maybe George Hills was her stepfather



Births Mar 1873
MOSS Louisa Bertha - Burton 6b 405

A Maybe for 1911 census ? It is TURNER on the image (I have sent the alternative in )

1911 England Census 1911 England Census
Name: William Surner
Age in 1911: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Pendleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Pembroke St Seedley
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gas Dorks Foreman
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 23943
Household Members: Name Age
William Surner 56
Louisa Bertha Surner 44
Bobert Surner 26
Maud Surner 24
Harry George Ridgard 17
Bertram Hills Ridgard 15
William Surner 20
Charles Surner 14
Mabel Surner 2 >>>>>>>


Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 23943; ; .

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Marriages Dec 1892 -

Moss Louisa Bertha - Burton 6b 636
Ridgard Thomas - Burton 6b 636

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Deaths Mar 1904

Ridgard Thomas - 38 - Burton 6b 270

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Marriage: 11 Jan 1906 St Luke, Weaste, Lancashire, England
William Turner - 37 years Foreman at Gas Works Widower of 25 Ash Grove
Louisa Bertha Ridgard - 39 years Widow of 25 Ash Grove
Groom's Father: Matthew Turner, (deceased), Tanner
Bride's Father: George Hills, Farmer
Witness: William Henry Pendleton; Sarah Kenyon
Married by Banns by: C. P. Wilson Vicar
Register: Marriages 1904 - 1908, Page 94, Entry 188
Source: LDS Film 2356044

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1906

TURNER William - RIDGARD Louisa B - Salford St Luke Salford

Wow Ann, that looks like exactly what I was looking for thanks a million :-D

do these names ring any bells?

name: Mabel Turner
event: Christening
event date: 16 Dec 1908
event place: Eccles, Weaste, Lancashire, England
father: William Turner
mother: Louisa Bertha Turner